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You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:56 am

Creating a new thread as requested. Attachment should be uploaded (I hope). MKV's stopped working after a clean install of Lion and 1.2.3. Was perviously working on Lion (both beta and GM Seed). MKV has an embedded subtitle video track. Tried disabling the subtitle option the preferences pane, removing and reinstalling Perian, removing the association, etc.

I also have an MKV with no subtitle track that is exhibiting the same behavior. Let me know if you want a sample of that one as well.

My QuickTime folder has the following:

AC3MovieImport.component
AppleIntermediateCode.component
AppleMPEG2Codec.component
Perian.component

Nothing in ~/Library/QuickTime/

Media Info:
Format : Matroska
File size : 1.84 GiB
Duration : 58mn 24s
Overall bit rate : 4 519 Kbps
Writing application : x264.exe
Writing library : mkv2rls x264-tv version built on 2011. febr. 17

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 8 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@4.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 58mn 20s
Bit rate : 4 045 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.183
Stream size : 1.65 GiB (89%)
Writing library : x264 core 116 r2019 9cc407d
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=36 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 58mn 24s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 160 MiB (8%)
Title : English
Language : English

Text
ID : 3
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : English
Language : English

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:58 am

Looking for the file, is there some file attachments function that I didn't know about? I'm not seeing it.

edit: I see the upload attachment tab, but I don't think it worked. Try again please. :)

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:00 am

Frustrating. I add the attachment, it uploads and goes to 100% and then opens a new thread 'reply' with no text in the body. Am I missing something here?

Edit: Also tried editing this thread and uploading it that way. It's 10 MB. Not sure if there is limit or not. I can always email it if GMail will allow an attachment that large.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:08 am

Tried it with Safari and Chrome. Same result. Uploads the file, and then I get a new empty 'reply' window.

Let me know if there is an ftp site or something similar where I can drop this.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:11 am

Do you have a dropbox account or something similar? :)

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:12 am

That's odd. I just checked, the max is 15 MiB

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:13 am

No but I can create one. Give me a few...

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:16 am

<sigh> I need some coffee. Confusing my MB with GB. How embarrassing... In any case, link posted below. Should work.
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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:56 pm

So what's the problem that's different than viewtopic.php?f=25&t=23504 ?

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:27 pm

Because I can use Quicktime X with subtitles, and enabling or disabling the subtitle option doesn't seem to affect it in any way (although loading an MKV without subtitles will eventually open after 30-40 seconds).

This was working prior to my last clean install (OS X 10.7 GM Seed). The install should be identical to what I'm using now except for the fact that it is a new install. I used Lion for weeks with Perian on video's with subtitles without any issues and still do with M4V content. only MKV content seems to be causing me this issue.

The thread you posted seems to relate to AVI's (or other files) that use external .SRT subtitle tracks. Mine is regarding embedded video tracks within an MKV.

If I convert the same MKV to M4V while still including the subtitle tracks, they play fine in Quicktime X.

From the thread you linked:
"I just updated to OS X 10.7 Lion and now I cannot use Quicktime X (10.1) with subtitles. The message pops up that I have to use Quicktime 7 which seems to work fine with Perian showing subtitles. When deactivating "Load External Subtitles" in the Perian settings, I can use Quicktime X without a problem."


The statement by gbooker is incorrect. QTX will indeed open video files with more than 1 video track. I does so without issue. It is only when opening formats that Perian allows like MKV that it fails.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:39 pm

I think you are confusing the checkbox talking about loading external subtitles with subtitles that are included in your media file. Your mkv includes a subtitle track, it's not an external file.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:46 pm

No, I understand the difference. As I noted above, QT X will play media with an embedded subtitle track without issue. It only fails on non-native formats that Perian allows. The thread you posted was specifically about external .SRT tracks.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:47 pm

I don't know what to tell you, I think you're misguided here. It works in qt7, but not in qtx. It works in niceplayer. If a single player will not play it, to me it's a problem with *that* player.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy1 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:54 pm

Tried to update my address but haven't received the re-activation. Had to create a temp account.

It does work in QT X. I have numerous M4V's with subtitles embedded in them and they play without issue.

For example, My Blade m4V encode has a video subtitle track embedded in it. It plays without issue in QT X and opens immediatly:

General
Complete name : /Users/username/Movies/_Archives/Blade.m4v
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 1.85 GiB
Duration : 2h 0mn
Overall bit rate : 2 204 Kbps
Genre : Horror
Encoded date : 1998
Tagged date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:52:43
Writing application : HandBrake 4140svn 2011072501
Cover : Yes
desc : 480P / Horror Action

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2h 0mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 000 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 304 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Minimum frame rate : 23.974 fps
Maximum frame rate : 90 000.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.381
Stream size : 1.68 GiB (91%)
Writing library : x264 core 115
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:19:05
Tagged date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:52:43
colour_primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
transfer_characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
matrix_coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : Yes
Format settings, PS : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 2h 0mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 200 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 250 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 172 MiB (9%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:19:05
Tagged date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:52:43

Text
ID : 3
Format : Apple text
Codec ID : text
Duration : 2h 0mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 bps
Stream size : 912 Bytes (0%)
Encoded date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:19:05
Tagged date : UTC 2011-07-26 20:52:43

This issue seems to affect only formats that QT X would not normally play, indicating the problem lies with Perian, not QT X.

On a side note, how can I re-active my original account? I haven't received the re-activation email since I updated my email address.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby The_Tick » Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:57 pm

Message me about your account problems. Let's fix that then continue on this.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby DJRumpy1 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:00 pm

Sent..See your PM.

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Re: You need quicktime player 7 to open MovieName

Postby gbooker » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:09 pm

DJRumpy wrote:The statement by gbooker is incorrect. QTX will indeed open video files with more than 1 video track. I does so without issue. It is only when opening formats that Perian allows like MKV that it fails.

Uh, no. You are incorrect. This isn't the only time either.

I believe that all of your errors stem from the following assumption: All subtiles are the same. <- THIS IS WRONG!!! You are arguing that anything that's contrary to this assumption is wrong.

Some facts:
  • QTX on Lion will not open files with more than one video track. I thoroughly tested this.
  • Subtitles done by Perian are video tracks. I know this for a fact, especially given that I've worked on that code.
  • Apple's subtitles are not video tracks. They are a separate kind of track. Notice it says "Apple text."
  • Perian uses video tracks for it's subtitles because Apple has not provided any other way to produce subtitles which have the capabilities that Perian requires.
The_Tick summarized this quite effectively, but you then proceeded to argue with him.
The_Tick wrote:I don't know what to tell you, I think you're misguided here. It works in qt7, but not in qtx. It works in niceplayer. If a single player will not play it, to me it's a problem with *that* player.

It's time to close this thread. You have your answer. Whether you believe it or not is your choice, but it's not worth spending any more time trying to convince you.


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