Vienna 2.2.0.2200 Pre-Release Build

[stevepa]

I've made a pre-release build of Vienna 2.2 available on SourceForge for those who are interested. You can get the build from here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=142635&package_id=157268&release_id=511708

The new version will work with your existing database and will upgrade it to the new format, but the upgraded database will continue to work with 2.1 if you choose to revert back. However as with all pre-release builds, keep in mind that bugs are inevitable and back up your database regularly.

The following is a list of changes in 2.2:

- Added ability to drop OPML files onto Vienna's dock icon.
- Added support for RSS/Atom enclosures.
- Add conditional support in templates.
- Overhauled UI.
- Added new standard style.
- Added more built-in styles.
- Command + T now opens new tab.
- Accept web pages as subscription URLs and parse to extract the feed.
- Show RSS button in browser if the web page links to an RSS feed. Clicking the button subscribes to that feed.
- New tab bar control. (Thanks to Evan Schoenberg).
- Add option to add Vienna to the system status bar.
- Added Basque localization. (Thanks to Aitor Zubizarreta).
- If Vienna doesn't handle the URL scheme (e.g., itms), open the URL with the default application for its scheme.
- Allow refreshing of unsubscribed feeds if they are specifically selected. (Thanks to ytrewq1 for submitting a patch.)
- Updated to SQLite 3.3.17.
- Change exported file format to UTF8. (Thanks to Kiyu Horiuti).
- Added toolbar and moved buttons to toolbar. (Thanks to David Kocher for the prototyping).
- Added support for toggle status bar and moved progress indicator to toolbar.
- Add toolbar button to empty the trash.
- Added flagged article filter.
- Refresh all subscriptions now refreshes in the folder list sorted order.

More changes are planned before we release however we welcome early feedback on the UI changes and other improvements.

[veke]

Very nice to have a look at what's coming, but I don't like the new UI. It looks dated. Would it be possible to go with the new "universal" look that Mail.app, iTunes and even Cyberduck etc. has? That was my imediate reaction. I think Apple is moving away from this brushed metal look in Leopard as well.

This version seems much faster, and better overall, but the UI gets in the way.

Just my 2 cent. Thanks!

[stevepa]

There will certainly be more improvements before we release but like a lot of folks, I'm interested in seeing what Leopard brings us before we commit to anything. However the general layout of the UI probably won't change much even if the style does. Thanks for the feedback.

[yorkio]

I must admit I've been playing away from Vienna recently and trying out NetNewsWire but this new version got me interested again.

I've got the "Next tab" keyboard shortcut set up assigned to a mouse key using USB Overdrive and it's stopped working properly with 2.2. Have you changed the tab behaviour so that selecting the next tab with the keyboard shortcut now stops at the final tab instead of cycling back to the beginning again? If so, please change it back so that the tabs keep cycling! Seriously, this one's a dealbreaker for me!

And for my next grumble... Would it be possible just to grey out subscriptions which are not currently subscribed to (ie, not deleted but not refreshed automatically), instead of just showing them as icons without any text? (Actually, wasn't that how Vienna used to do it?)

Those moans aside, thanks for this one - the support for enclosures will go a long way in swaying me back to Vienna! It would be great to see more individually customisable options per subscriptions though, eg refresh rate, article expiry behaviour etc.

[hurm]

Seems good, the toolbar is an improvement and I don't mind the brushed metal.

The memory leak issue I posted about seems to still apply. I'm at 103MB real with one tab open.

Somehow my Articles tab moved from the first position to 3rd of 3. I'm not sure how but I thought maybe at refresh time it moved to the end; but doing a refresh again didn't move it (yes I added more tabs).

I like to see a little more consistency in access to some functions. If I right-click in an HTML tab, in addition to Open Page in Safari and Copy Page LInk to Clipboard, I'd like to see Send Link and Blog With MarsEdit. In the Article menu I'd like to see Open Page in Safari and Copy Page Link to Clipboard and I'd like to see shortcuts for these operations. Right-clicking on the title of an article in the Article pane (using Report layout) should include these operations too, as should right-clicking on an article in the subject pane. When I select several articles (like with shift-clicking) and use the context menu, I want a Mark Read choice. And I'd like option-clicking an item in the subject list to bring it up the browser while leaving the article pane the same (I might be watching a video).

In HTML tabs I'd like to be able to drag the url of a page by clicking on the favicon like I can in Safari. Also I want cmd-R when viewing an HTML tab to refresh the page not refresh all feeds (only do that if I'm on the Articles tab). I'd like a stop button in the HTML toolbar.

I can multi-select feeds and folders but I don't see all the articles (same as 2.1)

I would like a way to lock the sort, I accidently click on the subject heading when selecting the first article and change the sort.

[Zacks]

Sorry to say it so directly, but the UI is still way ugly and feels really really not a bit Mac-like...

Why don't you use the UI Philipp Antoni created?
http://forums.cocoaforge.com/viewtopic.php?t=10945
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90925785@N ... 108684821/

[zorneatsham]

I like the new UI, but would also like the option to switch to aqua or unified. I agree that many apps (even Apple, too) are shying from brushed metal recently. This update seems to be a improvement on all fronts. Keep up the great work!

[Binarymix]

Sorry to say it so directly, but the UI is still way ugly and feels really really not a bit Mac-like...

Why don't you use the UI Philipp Antoni created?
http://forums.cocoaforge.com/viewtopic.php?t=10945
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90925785@N ... 108684821/

Seconded. This version looks very mac like and beautiful, unlike your pre-release

Great program though!

[jeff_johnson_dev]

Would it be possible just to grey out subscriptions which are not currently subscribed to (ie, not deleted but not refreshed automatically), instead of just showing them as icons without any text? (Actually, wasn't that how Vienna used to do it?)

This is how it still works for me. Is the folder selected or not selected? It may be hard to see the gray text when the folder is selected. What is your folder list font setting in appearance preferences?

[yorkio]

Would it be possible just to grey out subscriptions which are not currently subscribed to (ie, not deleted but not refreshed automatically), instead of just showing them as icons without any text? (Actually, wasn't that how Vienna used to do it?)

This is how it still works for me. Is the folder selected or not selected? It may be hard to see the gray text when the folder is selected. What is your folder list font setting in appearance preferences?

Whoops, you're quite right - you can't see the text at all when the folder's selected, but once you select another folder, it's perfectly visible (and greyed out, as expected).

[billsaysthis]

Just want to say thanks for continuing to add very useful features to a great project. GUI is not as significant to me as others, perhaps, so of all the suggestions in this thread the one I would like to see happen most is for CMD+R to refresh the active tab rather than subscriptions, unless the Articles tab is active since my finger memory defaults to this action before a concious repsonse.

[stevepa]

The comments on the UI are noted. As I said, this does not represent the final style although the layout is pretty much where I want to be. The crucial elements are the toolbar and the status bar, both of which can be hidden to give maximum screen space on macbooks. Michael Strock did some initial work on polished metal theme which didn't make it into this pre-release but I'm hoping to resurrect the style soon.

Memory usage and leaks continue to be a concern. I'll investigate these further over the coming weeks.

Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming please!

[AlanR]

I can see what I believe to be the correct image (popupMenuButton.tiff) in the Resources folder but it does not display correctly. It seems to be attempting to display action.png.

See image below.

[fedward]

I use only manual updates. The little progress indicator appears and is animated while the update is happening, and then it stops animating but fails to disappear when the update is complete. It's a minor bug, but hey.

[stevepa]

The progress indicator intentionally doesn't disappear because if it did, it would be invisible in the toolbar customisation. This is known and will be fixed before release.

[soundsgoodtome]

Why don't you use the UI Philipp Antoni created?
http://forums.cocoaforge.com/viewtopic.php?t=10945
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90925785@N ... 108684821/

I have to agree. Is there a reason why Philipp's UI can't be used? Collaboration often brings about the best results.... :-)

[Keltia]

The comments on the UI are noted. As I said, this does

Could you please tell me where the "Mark all articles as read" button is gone? I use it a lot and going through the menu or using the keyboard shortcut is not that fast (and I have to do it in two steps, first to catch all then to go to the next subscription).

Thanks.

[stevepa]

It's the button on the toolbar called 'Skip Folder'. If it's not there then you can add it back by Customizing the toolbar. That's the only "Mark all articles as read" button we ever had.

[stevepa]

I have to agree. Is there a reason why Philipp's UI can't be used? Collaboration often brings about the best results.... :-)

Just to be clear, there's no reason at all. However the priority for me is to focus on the layout first before styling. The way that the Vienna UI is put together in Interface Builder makes it challenging to move things around and when we do, it often breaks the styling. Until we refactor the code and make the UI positioning easier to handle, I'm doing it the other way round for the next few builds.

[Keltia]

It's the button on the toolbar called 'Skip Folder'. If it's not there then you can add it back by Customizing the toolbar. That's the only "Mark all articles as read" button we ever had.

After sending my message, I realized that sorry. The problem is that both "+" and "skip folder" buttons are greyed out :-(


[/list]