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David Munch wrote:I tried out Trillian while borrowing a PC laptop from a friend, and I was amazed of the sheer lack of quality compared to how much praise I've heard about that app... Maybe its high-end on the Windows side? Well, I don't know.. Maybe I'm just used to the quality on the Mac side, with Adium being a front-runner.. 8)

I actually ended up using gaim instead, and that sure isnt a work of art on the GUI side IMO..

Windows users have much lower expectations for applications, even basic things like the ridiculous inconsistencies or horrific shortcut key support are a mess everywhere and no one notices it because they are so used to it all being a mess.
Thats why they praise garbage like Trillian/Winamp/etc

df0notfound wrote:

David Munch wrote:I tried out Trillian while borrowing a PC laptop from a friend, and I was amazed of the sheer lack of quality compared to how much praise I've heard about that app... Maybe its high-end on the Windows side? Well, I don't know.. Maybe I'm just used to the quality on the Mac side, with Adium being a front-runner.. 8)

I actually ended up using gaim instead, and that sure isnt a work of art on the GUI side IMO..

Windows users have much lower expectations for applications, even basic things like the ridiculous inconsistencies or horrific shortcut key support are a mess everywhere and no one notices it because they are so used to it all being a mess.
Thats why they praise garbage like Trillian/Winamp/etc

Trillian is being praised for their options, not for their looks.
Trillian is a great app, though a nightmare in interface. They have several unseen features (as web clips) combined with all the features of the official client of any messenger.
There is not 1 app on any platform that has more options for IM than the shareware version of Trillian.

THAT's why it gets much praise.

This said, this petition is old, obsolete and wrong. The guy who made it was clueless and frustrated?
And most people who signed the petition did so more than twice, making the results highly questionable.

It should be mentioned the day there is a plug-in architecture some things won't be limited by the time the development team has on their hands.

For people complaining about the Adium developers taking too long: quality takes time and if you really want them to work on super feature x, remember they still have their day job to be able to buy food and stuff. Also did you ever donate anything to the project? Remember starting your own project is an option

As to Trillian vs Adium, they both have good points and bad point. On Windows I used to use Trillian until my subscription ended and I couldn't get Jabber with the basic version. But I tend to spend my time on my Mac, so Adium is now my client of choice.

Well here's some Trillian + Mac news from out of nowhere...The Trillian Astra preview site is up and apparently it's going to be desktop and web based along with being multi-platform.

http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ap/

specifically look at this page on interoperability:
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ap/index ... ea=interop

I don't know what to make of it.

Crypt wrote:specifically look at this page on interoperability:
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ap/index ... ea=interop

I don't know what to make of it.

Woah, I saw that preview but didn't even notice the implication of interoperability on OS X. I, too, don't really know what this is supposed to mean. Curious possibilities though.

Adium powered by IMCore?

Woudnt that Kill Chatkit?

that IMcore thing looks interesting, it even has myspace im and msn status messages...i wonder if it has custom emoticons for msn.

i used to use trillian back in my windows days, and i liked it but i don't remember it being that amazingly amazing...
BTW, i think a bunch of anti-adium statements become obsolete with ChatKit.

The odds of us switching to a proprietary library, and even just a library switch after the ones we've done for AIM & Jabber, are pretty slim.

bgannin wrote:The odds of us switching to a proprietary library, and even just a library switch after the ones we've done for AIM & Jabber, are pretty slim.

We don't even know if IMCore will be released separately from Trilian.

iLux wrote:

bgannin wrote:The odds of us switching to a proprietary library, and even just a library switch after the ones we've done for AIM & Jabber, are pretty slim.

We don't even know if IMCore will be released separately from Trilian.

Exactly. Brian set the expectations accordingly if it were proprietary. Which is very valid in this situation.