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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:17 pm
by Tipo 61
Audio/Video is well on it's way to seeing the light of day. I believe Gaim 2.0.0 will have audio support for at least GTalk.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:46 pm
by bgannin
Tipo 61 wrote:Audio/Video is well on it's way to seeing the light of day. I believe Gaim 2.0.0 will have audio support for at least GTalk.
Which is about 5%* of what is necessary to get it into all your mac-using hands.
There's input (mic) support, levels display, an audio UI for the chat [and possibly some extension of logging to save the audio chat stream out, which would rock], the contact list hooks to display support, and don't forget the bajillion forum posts "you support GTalk why not X, its DA B0Mb HaX0r"
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* 86.743% of statistics are invented on a daily basis, see your local statistician for your daily dose!
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:53 pm
by djmori
Ethion wrote:siMac wrote:Hold on a minute, we seem to have veered back onto discussion of ripple effects - like I said before, pointless eyecandy for use in the contact list. However what I was wondering about was functions like blur, which do serve a purpose as they help distinguish the contact list from the background.
It seems to me this is exactly the kind of use for which Core Image was created - plus I've been led to believe that Core Image functionality is not too hard to implement and fails gracefully on unsupported hardware (but then I'm no developer).
Besides, I've always found the Adium team to be exemplary cocoa developers and this is the kind of thing that would keep you guys ahead of the proverbial pack. [/buttkissing]
You still need to maintain it, for further use in development. And as others have said, it's a waste of time. Aka not a priority, wouldn't you rather like them to be able to work on Audio/Video or other features.
And when that's done, go back to the awesome features that Mac OS X can give us.
We all want Adium with A/V support... but adium devs can't start to develop it until libgaim 2.0 is ready. I think that core image should me considered in the meantime. One of the greatest things in adium in the way it looks... and if the development is going towards a "more minimal approach to instant messaging" I think looks should continue to improve in every release.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:03 pm
by bgannin
Functional enhancements are good - useless eyecandy is not. Show me how the ripple or blur (or any other effect) will dramatically improve your messaging ability.
Note: "It looks prettier" "It makes screenshots easier" and "I want it to match my desktop" are NOT valid answers.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:34 pm
by Ethion
Not to destroy the discussion, but you can almost say that we alredy have the ripple effect on the Adium contact list
Through the Adium Widget
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:52 pm
by The_Tick
siMac wrote:Hold on a minute, we seem to have veered back onto discussion of ripple effects - like I said before, pointless eyecandy for use in the contact list. However what I was wondering about was functions like blur, which do serve a purpose as they help distinguish the contact list from the background.
It seems to me this is exactly the kind of use for which Core Image was created - plus I've been led to believe that Core Image functionality is not too hard to implement and fails gracefully on unsupported hardware (but then I'm no developer).
Besides, I've always found the Adium team to be exemplary cocoa developers and this is the kind of thing that would keep you guys ahead of the proverbial pack. [/buttkissing]
I was reinforcing what others said, that it's only useful in certain situations.
If one of you guys wants to make a coreimage patch, that's fine, but otherwise we probably won't be doing it anytime soon.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:53 pm
by Simba Cub
Functionality is not the only jewel in the Adium crown; so are appearance, customisability, etc etc.
Rich::
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:58 pm
by The_Tick
Simba Cub wrote:Functionality is not the only jewel in the Adium crown; so are appearance, customisability, etc etc.
Rich::
Which we get without core image.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:45 pm
by David Munch
zaudragon wrote:SeaWolf wrote:The_Tick wrote:
Hopefully .8. It's something proton came up with, and jkp is hopefully adding it to svn tonight.
Hang on a sec. We're lampooning the use of the ripple effect for Adium, but we love it for Growl? How does that work?
You gotta admit that with Growl it is pretty cool. But it’s useless for Adium; how many times are you going to make the contact list appear out of thin air? NONE.
The message window when switching from another app to Adium, while having 'hide message window when not in front' option activated.
But yes, still useless!
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:04 pm
by djmori
The_Tick wrote:Simba Cub wrote:Functionality is not the only jewel in the Adium crown; so are appearance, customisability, etc etc.
Rich::
Which we get without core image.
You got a point. we just have to evaluate how hard is to implement it? and are the benefits worth the effort?
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:11 pm
by The_Tick
djmori wrote:The_Tick wrote:Simba Cub wrote:Functionality is not the only jewel in the Adium crown; so are appearance, customisability, etc etc.
Rich::
Which we get without core image.
You got a point. we just have to evaluate how hard is to implement it? and are the benefits worth the effort?
Have you seen the amount of issues that are actual problems for just 1.0?
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:13 pm
by Tipo 61
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:13 pm
by siMac
OK, fair enough - the idea has been officially Shot Down™.
Any chance of getting a ticket opened for Adium 2.0?
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:26 pm
by Simba Cub
The_Tick wrote:Simba Cub wrote:Functionality is not the only jewel in the Adium crown; so are appearance, customisability, etc etc.
Rich::
Which we get without core image.
But which we could still improve on (say, with Core Image) in our perpetual search for the perfect IM client
Rich::
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:21 pm
by djmori
I agree. There's no way to implement it before 1.0.. but maybe for it could be taken in consideration for a future release..... the way adium looks right know is awsome.. but i gues for 1.5 or 2.0 in could be even better.
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:00 pm
by Catfish_Man
Basically, here's what people should do: Rather than say "we want core image", instead come up with some visual improvement to Adium that you would like, and provide reasons why it would enhance the usability of the program without adding too much complexity. If Core Image is the best way to implement it, we'll probably use that (although not until 10.5 comes out).
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:53 pm
by Arenzera
wunderwood wrote:Why is everyone talking up these effects anyways. That effect takes a long time. It kind of woks blah blah blah blah blah Personally I think that's a bad idea, but that would make a lot more sense than the ripple effect.
You can probably turn it off.
Kiel :-)
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:32 pm
by David Munch
Catfish_Man wrote:Basically, here's what people should do: Rather than say "we want core image", instead come up with some visual improvement to Adium that you would like, and provide reasons why it would enhance the usability of the program without adding too much complexity. If Core Image is the best way to implement it, we'll probably use that (although not until 10.5 comes out).
Why 10.5 specifically?
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:47 pm
by ofri
David Munch wrote:Catfish_Man wrote:Basically, here's what people should do: Rather than say "we want core image", instead come up with some visual improvement to Adium that you would like, and provide reasons why it would enhance the usability of the program without adding too much complexity. If Core Image is the best way to implement it, we'll probably use that (although not until 10.5 comes out).
Why 10.5 specifically?
Probably because it'll be about the time to drop 10.3 support...
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:39 pm
by bgannin
David Munch wrote:Why 10.5 specifically?
Adium supports the current OS and previous OS by design. Thus 10.4 is supported, but not the primary target (because things wouldn't work on 10.3) Thus when 10.5 comes out, 10.4 will be the lowest common denominator and can be targeted with all sorts of specific goodness.
Note: this doesn't mean there aren't 10.4 niceties now, just not an overload and not anything that won't fail gracefully.
