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Adium Mockup wrote:

snarfer wrote:I hate that feature in AIM. It pops up with stale news, stupid movies, random facts about lousy actors and music. If this is implemented, I would like to have the ability to disable it.

i hate the ads on aim only diffrence this would alert you with your new emails on all your email subscriptions...where at a glance you can see how many new email you have and offcoarse stuff related to only Adium

Sounds tasy. I still would like the feature to enable/disable it and perhaps to a customization option.

snarfer wrote:

Adium Mockup wrote:

snarfer wrote:I hate that feature in AIM. It pops up with stale news, stupid movies, random facts about lousy actors and music. If this is implemented, I would like to have the ability to disable it.

i hate the ads on aim only diffrence this would alert you with your new emails on all your email subscriptions...where at a glance you can see how many new email you have and offcoarse stuff related to only Adium

Sounds tasy. I still would like the feature to enable/disable it and perhaps to a customization option.

absolutly

whats adium without customisation?

This would sound tasty. Put the source up somewhere. I'm reading a Cocoa book now, so I may help later on.

snarfer wrote:This would sound tasty. Put the source up somewhere. I'm reading a Cocoa book now, so I may help later on.

thats out of my league

Ugh

The emotion panel idea sounds good if it was implemented well, like someone said about if someone has 500 emotions then there would be several pages.
However that news window is just not a good idea in my opinion, most people are logged into Adium for long periods of time, I usually go for a week without restarting Adium, only logged out when my Mac sleeps, plus it just seems like it will turn Adium into bloatware, which isn't what Adium is about.
Maybe it could be implemented but no until Adium gets the more requested features, such as voice and video chat (I know the Adium team are waiting on the gaim team (I think) to implement it, so I'm not bitching ).

Anywho just my $0.02

I already made a ticket about the emoticon grid idea, absolutly ages ago. At the time the_tick hit back with a 'wontfix' but I've just dug it up and seems like 4 months on he changed his mind and so maybe they're reconsidering: http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/484

viruscool wrote:The emotion panel idea sounds good if it was implemented well, like someone said about if someone has 500 emotions then there would be several pages.
However that news window is just not a good idea in my opinion, most people are logged into Adium for long periods of time, I usually go for a week without restarting Adium, only logged out when my Mac sleeps, plus it just seems like it will turn Adium into bloatware, which isn't what Adium is about.
Maybe it could be implemented but no until Adium gets the more requested features, such as voice and video chat (I know the Adium team are waiting on the gaim team (I think) to implement it, so I'm not bitching ).

Anywho just my $0.02

come on gaim team lets get that webcam up and working... i want to see some hot babes on cam hahah .... well here my question about having 500 emotions, if you send a smiley to a person on yahoo they would only see smileys for yahoo and so on with aim they would see the smileys on aim ... and the same on msn... other than that i dont see the point to having 500 smiley that only i the sender is going to see but on the recievers end they would get a other smiley.

I could agree with the emoticon list, but I see some usability problems.
Personally I click to open the emoticon list and press some letters to select the item (standard OS feature)
Clicking that box would force you to use the mouse all the time.
Possible solution would be to make some kind of keyboard navigation (with the arrows or first letters of smileyname)

I always have two emoticon set: yahoo and msn. I don't see how to make a choice between them? ( this can be solved for example with tabs)

Another thing is the size. ppl with 2 screens don't mind a big box and portables hate big things.

And as an extra thing: put most used in the beginning of the list and least used at the end of the list.

twopeak wrote:I could agree with the emoticon list, but I see some usability problems.
Personally I click to open the emoticon list and press some letters to select the item (standard OS feature)
Clicking that box would force you to use the mouse all the time.
Possible solution would be to make some kind of keyboard navigation (with the arrows or first letters of smileyname)

I always have two emoticon set: yahoo and msn. I don't see how to make a choice between them? ( this can be solved for example with tabs)

Another thing is the size. ppl with 2 screens don't mind a big box and portables hate big things.

And as an extra thing: put most used in the beginning of the list and least used at the end of the list.

for example on gaim messenger if your on your yahoo screen name when you click on the emotion icon only the yahoo icons would pop up in a box automaticly and the same if your on your msn when you go to send a emotion only the msn smileys would pullpop up in a box and the same with aim and so on

I'm not a fan of the "AIM Today" thing that was posted. The emoticons list is on trac somewhere already, post your mockups on that ticket.

I like the idea, it's just a matter of implementation details. And, of course, actually implementing it.

A couple notes on the emoticon menu.... I originally intended on adding grid support but it's no small thing (rather involving and actually done in Carbon most likely for full functionality) and it got stuck in its present incarnation. That said, grid support would be nice, as it is rather ubiquitous in chat apps. Usability issues do exist, but there is something to be said of commonality and expectation.

With regards to auto-sorting most used... it sounds superficially good to add support for auto-customizing such as this but test results from years of use (in flagship apps like Office 2003) have shown that auto-ranking of anything causes more harm than good (I don't have a link offhand but an Office interaction designer noted in his blog that auto-customizing loses memory of the location of an item [as it moves around all the time] and requires constant scanning to find anything outside the commonest items)

Not trying to rain on anyone's ideas, just share some thoughts.

bgannin wrote:A couple notes on the emoticon menu.... I originally intended on adding grid support but it's no small thing (rather involving and actually done in Carbon most likely for full functionality) and it got stuck in its present incarnation. That said, grid support would be nice, as it is rather ubiquitous in chat apps. Usability issues do exist, but there is something to be said of commonality and expectation.

I made a mockup for this about 2-3 weeks ago.
I intended to implement this, but like bgannin said, it involves using carbon. I couldn't find any working sample code for creating custom menus and I didn't feel like investing too much time in this as it's not in high priority.

- Ofri

I made a mockup for this about 2-3 weeks ago.
I intended to implement this, but like bgannin said, it involves using carbon. I couldn't find any working sample code for creating custom menus and I didn't feel like investing too much time in this as it's not in high priority.

- Ofri

I believe Apple provided some simple demos of HICustomMenuView (or some such element) at one of the WWDCs (2003 IIRC) If you are terribly interested in looking into it I can see if I still have the source lying around. [and am not dreaming ]