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GetAdium.com sounds way to MSish if you ask me.


Personally I like the current way of Adiumx.com, since its basically a site about adium, and if you want dev stuff, its a in tab by itself. IMHO these things shouldnt be split - Especially not since people would probably want to know whats happening in the future of Adium, and thats dev stuff..

But i dont see any problem in using Adium.org. (Quacks something about Adium X should be renamed to Adium)

F*ckin A I said adium.org it is a few posts ago. allright i know there were a few others besides me who wanted to help out.

You need to all settle down or I'll be locking this thread.

You ignored what was the more important part of my post Crypt.

*Why* do we need a Get Adium again?

i as well as many other have had to introduce and explan what adium is to too many fellow mac users. adium should be known even more amongst the mac community. just because you object to it doesn't mean it wont possibly happen.

Crypt wrote:i as well as many other have had to introduce and explan what adium is to too many fellow mac users. adium should be known even more amongst the mac community. just because you object to it doesn't mean it wont possibly happen.

So what do you say to people that introduces adium? Couldn't we just put that on the main page and forget this whole deal?

Crypt wrote:i as well as many other have had to introduce and explan what adium is to too many fellow mac users. adium should be known even more amongst the mac community. just because you object to it doesn't mean it wont possibly happen.

Did you ignore the latter half of my post?

As I stated, we can give people a list of reasons? We can do that on adiumx.com.

I'm cool with drawing more attention to adium, but a link to adiumx.com would be the right way. Not a completely separate site, because then people might get lost and not even know about adiumx.com.

This project is asinine. I have no objections to a list of reasons -- in fact, that might be a useful page, but it doesn't deserve its own site.

The_Tick wrote:

Crypt wrote:i as well as many other have had to introduce and explan what adium is to too many fellow mac users. adium should be known even more amongst the mac community. just because you object to it doesn't mean it wont possibly happen.

So what do you say to people that introduces adium? Couldn't we just put that on the main page and forget this whole deal?

well i pretty much explain to them that its the best messaging client on the mac os due to the amount of services it supports, its UI, its functionality, rapid and constant development, large support community and userbase, tons of extensions and extras, its stability, and an overall comparison of adium to other multi-protocol messengers (proteus, fire). i compare them in many of the ways such as the ones i mentioned above as well as price, code, and some others.

Although I have no opinion on the subject I'll play devil's advocate...

A site serves to allow a more robust treatment. The front page will allow a list of reasons, that's it. A list of reasons, testimonials, stats, side by side chart comparisons, etc. can all be called out in a site, not a dedicated blurb on the front page.

That said, I leave the whyfore's to you fine debaters

Just use adium.org, put a tab on the main page to it and be over with it. You could even use get.adium.org if you really care about that slogan... isn't the important part we have a site to explain Adium's advantages and not the yadda yadda around it? You people need to calm down, take a step back and breathe.

adiumx.com/get/
Could become the front page instead of the download section. Just a thought.

snarfer wrote:adiumx.com/get/
Could become the front page instead of the download section. Just a thought.

Sounds nice.

Tipo 61 wrote:*Chimes in*

I don't think people will confise adiumx.com and adium.org, however, I think it's fair to be said that people might easily confuse adium.org, with adium.com.

And as most of us know, adium.com has nothing to do with the greatest instant messenger on the planet

That's actually a really good point, to my mind anyway. Would utilising adium.org lead to more mis-hits of adium.com? Possibly.

I'm not really convinced of the need for a "community" site myself; surely that's what the forums and adiumxtras are for? The only new content I've heard mentioned are those buttons people made; to be honest, they're no more unique than, say, the screenshots page, and don't exactly need a site of their own.

On that subject - I don't want to be harsh, but those submissions need some kind of moderation. FF at least tried to have some kind of consistent look for its advertising.

The only argument for a "community" site that would convince me is to prevent any unprofessional "unofficial" sites springing up. I've seen a couple recently for software which will remain nameless. At best, they're largely pointless; at worst, they ruin the image of the product.

On the other hand it's certainly not my decision, and frankly IDGARA. Let's get back to arguing over the latest minor change to the logging system, it's more fun.

[edit: Sonofapreacherman posted while I was typing, but I agree with everything he said. The only thing I could see making a whole new site for would be a SpreadAdium sort of thing, which is a bit much, IMO.]

I think the front page (adiumx.com) looks fine as it is: it has a useful download link (with pretty links below it to version history and source), and an easily findable link to learn more about Adium, which takes you to the appropriate Wiki page.

There are two changes that I could see being made, both without adding an additional site. I also have reasons for not making another site, which I'll get to in a minute.

First, add a Forums tab to the row of tabs on adiumx.com. There used to be one, and I guess it got removed in the site redesign.

Second, either on the Wiki or as another tab of adiumx.com, add a page of user comments/opinions if you want (meaning if the users want, though Evan or someone would have to approve, since the developers run adiumx.com).

The nice thing about open source software with such great, friendly developers is that there's enough integration between the community and the developer team that there doesn't need to be an entire other site for the community. We have Xtras, we have the forums, we have the Wiki (which I think should be more publically editable, while we're on the topic of community involvement). Adium.org makes it sound like adium(x).com is the big company website, and adium.org is the nice little community-oriented site with real people where users can see what other users think. This isn't necessary.

Google searches for adium, instant messenger mac os x, and instant messaging mac os x all turn up adiumx.com as the top hit. So the argument that users can search Google to find adium.org doesn't make sense to me for two reasons: first, because adiumx.com will always turn up before adium.org in a search for adium; and second, because users can just find adiumx.com, which has a lovely Wiki, download link, Xtras, and (per my earlier suggestion in this post) an easily visible link to the forums.

In short, I think that making an entirely separate site would merely widen the apparent gap (which really is quite small) between the developers/"company" (hell, there isn't even a company) and the users. Instead, the community should have more control over adiumx.com, such as more control with the Wiki. And make sure that the users feel that they have a say in what goes on with teaching about and marketing Adium (meaning with adiumx.com, if nothing else).

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm just bashing the idea of a user-run website; certainly you're (rather, we're, I suppose) entitled to one if that's what's best; I just don't think it's the best thing for Adium.

I agree.
Instead of making a whole new site, how about an "about" or "community" tab in http://www.adiumx.com. There we can post some cool user reviews (moderated of course), the "get adium" pics, random screenshots, etc.

*chimes in*

1) Forums aren't going to have a huge link/tab, because their design is not integrated; this is the same reason Xtras wasn't added until it was redesigned.

2) These are the current top search hits for this week:



The idea of "adium" far outweighs the idea of "adium x". Our users know us as Adium, not as Adium X. The distinction is only key because we say it is. In reality, people really don't give a damn 77.25% of the time.

3) A search for Adium—despite an above post—does bring up adiumx.com as the first hit, but the second is the Xtras site.

4) Maybe get adium icons should be along with the screenshots page—another (invisible to the user) category (on a separate page) that holds the icons. Then people can vote, and we can get an idea of the most popular ones, since the default search right now is by ranking.


Also, I'm loving that reoccurring "audium x". Our users are hilarious.

Isn't it nice when somebody backs up their position with statistics and figures?

Son of a Preacher Man wrote:Let's get back to arguing over the latest minor change to the logging system, it's more fun.

I agree. XML++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.

FredAkbar wrote:Instead, the community should have more control over adiumx.com,

I fiercely disagree

How come? I'm not saying make make the entire site publicly editable. Just give us more editing control over the Wiki and take into consideration any suggestions that the users have about the site.

I don't necessarily have a specific desire for these things myself. I'm only bringing it up because the fact that users want a separate, community-run site (adium.org) says that either a) Some of the users feel like adiumx.com is too commercial (by appearance, or by lack of user input, or whatever) and not close enough to the users, or b) Some of the users just think it would be fun to make an Adium site. If it's the latter, then I think they should control the urge unless it becomes beneficial to Adium. But if it's the former, then I'm just saying that giving the users more control over the current could be one solution to this, rather than making a whole new site.

I strongly disagree as well.