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I disagree as well.
The ticket-changing dorks should be annihilated. And people really dont have anything to say, except ask questions/requests in the forum and add things to the extras site. Everything else is basically dev matters.


But I like how people thinks "adium" and not "adium x"... *Quacks once more for a rename knowing he will get flamed for this*

I disagree Too. Dev's moderation is essential.

I don't know, when there was more control over trac at least the dupes got closed faster... but I agree that control over content is needed.

Users shouldn't have more control over the adium site. Simple. First of all, it just makes more work for the devs, since they now have to worry about what people are putting on the page. But more importantly, its completely unnecessary.

When have they not taken into consideration suggestions? Sure, maybe they didn't do it, but that doesn't mean they didn't consider this. Get adium has been considered, and as you can tell, it isn't wanted. Nor is a forum tab.

I am still waiting for a reason why we need a separate site. I'm for the page with reasons, but a community site is unnecessary.

FredAkbar wrote: a) Some of the users feel like adiumx.com is too commercial (by appearance, or by lack of user input, or whatever) and not close enough to the users

I'm not sure how, multiple people make this claim but never come up with a reason why. It has a huge duck icon and screenshots! And adium tabs! This claim really hurts too because when Adam and I made the site, we thought it fit 10.4 perfectly.

FredAkbar wrote:b) Some of the users just think it would be fun to make an Adium site.

I don't really care, but to be honest we do try to take in input you guys give.

ive started an adium user civil war.

Crypt wrote:ive started an adium user civil war.

Heh, no you didn't.

This is stupid.

I think a get adium site would be nice, I think these forums are too seprated from the adium site itself. An adium forum and coummunity site would be a great idea.

I think getadium.com is a good idea and while it does sound like getfirefox it isnt a bad connection for users to make. It also allows for a distinctive name and campaign. GetAdium.com sounds much better than adium.org which seems a bit formal.

Adium.org should become the main site and the extras site of adium. I think the main site, the extras sites and the forum could have closer unity.

I would be willing to help on the getadium.com site btw

Sorry, Extras site is fine. I just think the domain adium.org should apply to the whole thing. I also thinnk we should have a dedicated forum that has a tab on the site.

getadium should be set up and running in time to give adium 1.0 a big push.

Damienoneill wrote:Sorry, Extras site is fine. I just think the domain adium.org should apply to the whole thing. I also thinnk we should have a dedicated forum that has a tab on the site.

No, forums stay where they are.

This is getting way off base here folks.

Alright. Calm down.

Unified login is a dream of mine. "Nobody has time to do it," I was volunteering, but whatever, that's something far down the line.

The main point: Should we use adium.org? For now, I think it should just be a redirect to adiumx.com. I like the idea of getadium.com, it narrows the focus of the website to Adium evangelism and advertising.

trac.adiumx.com will *not* be made user editable. Us developers have been doing quite fine with it, we're happy with the way it's going and the information on there. However, I think our users would love to have somewhere to participate, and a semi-official place to do this (namely, a community site), would be great.

If we can't decide on a domain name, community.adiumx.com and adiumx.com/get/ are both fine choices.

I honestly think that adium DOT ORG and adium X DOT COM, are a little too similar. I think the community site should have a definite and distinct URL, to let you know that you're at something made by the Adium community, and the content within is not necessarily officially endorsed.

Chris, if you're pushing for adium.org to be used because you bought it, well, we tried to say "lets have it in the project's name," but you snapped it up before discussion on the lists could begin. Also, there was no chance the lawyers at adium.com were going to snap it up. What's a couple more days when it's been sitting there for quite a long time?

I agree. Adium is a waste in a way because it lacks a good online presence but the logo is an extremely effective branding. The duck gives it a very good identity. This should be exploited.

adiumx is bad url in my opinion. the X doesn't seem to mean anything as the name of the program is adium. I think adium.org should be the default address with adiumx redirecting.

Getadium is good. It has a easy to remember but different enough URL. I do not get why it matters, if you and we like it then we can do it. It a community site run by fans

FredAkbar wrote:How come? I'm not saying make make the entire site publicly editable. Just give us more editing control over the Wiki and take into consideration any suggestions that the users have about the site.

I don't necessarily have a specific desire for these things myself. I'm only bringing it up because the fact that users want a separate, community-run site (adium.org) says that either a) Some of the users feel like adiumx.com is too commercial (by appearance, or by lack of user input, or whatever) and not close enough to the users, or b) Some of the users just think it would be fun to make an Adium site. If it's the latter, then I think they should control the urge unless it becomes beneficial to Adium. But if it's the former, then I'm just saying that giving the users more control over the current could be one solution to this, rather than making a whole new site.

Just look at the trac in the beginning, people were changing the modes and stuff, all over the place. for example, they opened and closed and modified the Audio/Video ticket all the time. Just because people wanted the devs to take more time on a cause that can't be incorporated yet.

In my opinion, it could work. But I still disagree on it.

adiumx.com/get/ is an good idea. Or just elaborate the first page more.

I just don't understand the idea of having a separate page with "get" in the name. "Get" implies getting Adium, meaning downloading it: the freakin' download link is already on the homepage! Getfirefox.com (which getadium.com would obviously be a play off of) only existed so users had a simple URL to type to get to the Firefox page, rather than mozilla.org/products/firefox.

If you want to have a page of user comments or whatever, then okay; I just don't see how you could call it "get."

FredAkbar wrote:I just don't understand the idea of having a separate page with "get" in the name. "Get" implies getting Adium, meaning downloading it: the freakin' download link is already on the homepage! Getfirefox.com (which getadium.com would obviously be a play off of) only existed so users had a simple URL to type to get to the Firefox page, rather than mozilla.org/products/firefox.

If you want to have a page of user comments or whatever, then okay; I just don't see how you could call it "get."

http://www.comeheranddownloadadiumx.com

Hahaha, I like that one most. But I'm not sure if it conveys the right message, really.

FredAkbar wrote:I just don't understand the idea of having a separate page with "get" in the name. "Get" implies getting Adium, meaning downloading it: the freakin' download link is already on the homepage! Getfirefox.com (which getadium.com would obviously be a play off of) only existed so users had a simple URL to type to get to the Firefox page, rather than mozilla.org/products/firefox.

If you want to have a page of user comments or whatever, then okay; I just don't see how you could call it "get."

http://www.adiumx.com/switch/

djmori wrote:

FredAkbar wrote:I just don't understand the idea of having a separate page with "get" in the name. "Get" implies getting Adium, meaning downloading it: the freakin' download link is already on the homepage! Getfirefox.com (which getadium.com would obviously be a play off of) only existed so users had a simple URL to type to get to the Firefox page, rather than mozilla.org/products/firefox.

If you want to have a page of user comments or whatever, then okay; I just don't see how you could call it "get."

http://www.adiumx.com/switch/

now that is an intriguing idea...

!!!!
By far, the best idea yet!

Do you guys like switch.adiumx.com or adiumx.com/switch better?

adiumx.com/switch

I think most people still think of websites in terms of domainname.whatever/page not page.domainname.whatever

I know I do.