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unam381 wrote:

I'm not sure if I remember this correctly, but I believe I remember one of the devs saying that they didn't want to incorporate the "feature" of annoying window shakes and noises.

I agree, the nudge thing is stupid. Although i could agree on a growl thing(what do you call it ?) jumping saying like "xxx sent you a nudge"

Because it's annoying and wrong.

That's what I dislike about some decisions of the Adium team. Don't get me wrong, I like Adium, but I really hate that "i don't like this feature so nobody does" and "i don't use that so nobody will like the feature". It is not as if coding a simple event notifications like there are already 20 in the options panel will be that hard, especially when compared to joscar and the new log format. Nudge (msn) and buzz (yahoo) are useful features to get attention for critical messages who whould otherwise be delayed. A shaking window is not crucial, but a customizable event is a minimum for a chat client.

Funny thing is, none of the posts you quote are by the Adium team (and going back through time I bet I could find equal amounts of posts by users for and against the feature, thus it can't be incredibly one-sided by the devs.) In fact, the strongest invective in it your quotes was by a user. Everyone's metrics for "minimums" and "requirements" are different. If you are so sure it's so easy as you've described it, grab the source and have a party as others have mentioned. If not, why jab at those who do?

Ethion wrote:

biglittledragoon wrote:The answer is: Adium is an Open Source project!

So, if someone wants to add something, he can. See Metal Adium, ie.

Dev' can decide if it needs to be in the "official" app or not. Or "waste time" to do or help to do it.

Read the GNU GPL.

I don't want to trash your point, but making Adium metal is quite easy. Even if you need to do some modifications.

My purpose wasn't to talk about the feasibility, easy or not, but to say, as The Tick did too, that everyone is FREE to do it.
So, see the Gizmo Project VoIP Plug-In.

Yeah, I agree biglittledragoon
I'm not against you, just that it might have been a little bad example? Although metal adium is a good initiative to open-source.

What the heck are "winks" and "nudges"? I have never seen them, and from what I am reading here, it sounds as though I don't want to.

MacMom wrote:What the heck are "winks" and "nudges"? I have never seen them, and from what I am reading here, it sounds as though I don't want to.

Certain services (MSN, Yahoo to my knowledge) allow you to send these 'special' messages that intentionally attract attention by either shaking the window or playing sound effects, the idea being you need to get the other user's attention and this is your way to do so. Personally I find them intrusive, but I also don't use those services often, if at all.

I personally do not want to see Adium "clogged" with features like these, when the devs time could be better spent implementing features that would benefit more people, like VOIP support or, even better, video conferencing.

Tick says it is about weighing costs and benefits. I am sure the newest libgaim release has their hands full, implementing a frivilous feature such as this serves no greater purpose. Have you ever looked at the Events tab in Preferences? You can run an applescript, play a sound, get a growl notification, open a window, speak text, display a normal message, etc etc. I think you are covered on notifications honestly. I strain my imagination to think of a useful and polite situation in which I would need this. Chances are that if you got winking/nudging added, you would get bored with it in 20 minutes.

Sorry for the rant, but crying foul doesn't help your situation with Management. If you really want this, why not create a well-written rebuttal with examples of why you think this would be a good idea.

implementing it, i'm against...it does seem like an annoying feature of msn...
though it would be nice if a growl notification could be implemented when one is received...i use ichadium mod and i do get notifications when someone sends one (don't know if it works across the board with other message views) but it does the job...a growl notification would just make it more pronounced...

bgannin wrote:

MacMom wrote:What the heck are "winks" and "nudges"? I have never seen them, and from what I am reading here, it sounds as though I don't want to.

Certain services (MSN, Yahoo to my knowledge) allow you to send these 'special' messages that intentionally attract attention by either shaking the window or playing sound effects, the idea being you need to get the other user's attention and this is your way to do so. Personally I find them intrusive, but I also don't use those services often, if at all.

Hmm, sounds unnecessary to me. The duck and Growl notifications do a fine job of attracting my attention when someone IMs me. I don't need extraneous winks and nudges, as well. I would not be in favor of adding such a feature.

There seems to be a bit of fuzziness in this thread I'd like to clarify:
nudges and winks are an action sent like a message from one user to another to get their attention. They are not simply notification(s) of messages (or events.) This arose from discussing how these 'attention getters' should... well, get your attention.

Right, its not for any message, just for messages that you deem important enough to have a sound or shake attached...

My PC friends use trillian so sometimes i spam "(cat)" at them, which is the emote for a kitty face that meows a very annoying loud meow to get their attention. I can see how nudges and winks are useful... I would be for a growl implementation of them, though really, there are more important things for the developers to work on

If they ever were to implemented (please NO!), then the least obtrusive way might be to add them as an event in the "Events" prefs, with no action for default, so that people can add them if wanted. Personally I think they're best left out.

bgannin wrote:There seems to be a bit of fuzziness in this thread I'd like to clarify:
nudges and winks are an action sent like a message from one user to another to get their attention. They are not simply notification(s) of messages (or events.) This arose from discussing how these 'attention getters' should... well, get your attention.

And, again, I don't see why it's necessary. If someone wants to get my attention, they send an IM, and it gets my attention. Why would I want additional shakes and noises?

I have no idea... I thought it was stupid when it was originally introduced and I think it just serves as another 'look at me' feature on the bullet point list of what a client/protocol supports.

Then I guess at least you and I agree on that point.

bgannin wrote:I have no idea... I thought it was stupid when it was originally introduced and I think it just serves as another 'look at me' feature on the bullet point list of what a client/protocol supports.

I agree to, but, then again, bullet point list features lure users, and with more users comes more support.

yelly wrote:

bgannin wrote:I have no idea... I thought it was stupid when it was originally introduced and I think it just serves as another 'look at me' feature on the bullet point list of what a client/protocol supports.

I agree to, but, then again, bullet point list features lure users, and with more users comes more support.

I think that's poor motivation for spending time on a largely useless feature, especially since a large amount of Adium's users use it because if its simplistic-yet-customizable interface. Polluting it with tons of things that maybe a handful of people will ever use will only serve to pull it away from that idea.

TheSilverFox06 wrote:

yelly wrote:I agree to, but, then again, bullet point list features lure users, and with more users comes more support.

I think that's poor motivation for spending time on a largely useless feature, especially since a large amount of Adium's users use it because if its simplistic-yet-customizable interface. Polluting it with tons of things that maybe a handful of people will ever use will only serve to pull it away from that idea.

Which gets us back to what The Tick said:

The_Tick wrote:The thing is, it's about weighing options, and giving them priority. What seems like a priority to you guys just isn't for the dev team.

Ludge wrote:If they ever were to implemented (please NO!), then the least obtrusive way might be to add them as an event in the "Events" prefs, with no action for default, so that people can add them if wanted. Personally I think they're best left out.

I think this is a good solution....
then, it would be easy to develop a script or plugin to shake, make noise, turn the car lights on, or make your computer dance.... or just a Growl Notification

I think that the prominent reason to even get close to all this stuff is so your contact doesn't get that annoying "Your contact is using a old version of MSN Messenger bla bla bla..." (and that's nowhere close to the really annoying Hebrew version...), for as much as i care, just make your contacts client think you've been nudged.

yelly wrote:I think that the prominent reason to even get close to all this stuff is so your contact doesn't get that annoying "Your contact is using a old version of MSN Messenger bla bla bla..." (and that's nowhere close to the really annoying Hebrew version...), for as much as i care, just make your contacts client think you've been nudged.

Agree.