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Unsupported Status Problem

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:09 am
by Firefairy
Found something a bit troublesome:

As you know, different clients support different levels of tweaking one's status. From what I've seen, AIM is the most limited, and it was in dealing with AIM that I figured out that Adium does not let me know what I am actually projecting to the world.

I have a status that sets me to Invisible, and I was curious as to whether Adium somehow spoofed the server, or if I was setting myself to Away, or what. So, I set it and asked a friend what he saw. Adium was telling me that I was invisible, when in fact I was fully visible and listed not as Away, but Available. Ick.

I only recently got my mac, and Adium is my mac answer to my PC multiclient IM program, Trillian. Overall, it is much more customizable, which is why it surprises me that it does not include a feature that Trillian does- the ability to set status specifically for each service when creating an away state. It only allows me to choose the options that will really work for that service (Available or Away on AIM, for example), but I can choose different states in different clients for a single Away state, picking the most effective combination for what I want to accomplish.

As it is, I have to use setups specifically designed for AIM to avoid leaving myself completely out in the open, and I am worried that there might be other things I think I've set that are not going across because the client doesn't really allow them.

I would really like it if, at the least, when I attempt to set a status and I don't get the effect I intended (e.g., trying to go Invisible in AIM), Adium not cheerfully act as though it worked, showing me an inaccurate status icon. Is there any way to keep this from happening?

It would also be nice to be able to set per client status messages, but it is so easy to set the individual accounts that I am not as worried about that as I am about accurate feedback on what's going on. Limiting the options to what's really possible and maybe adding some intelligent dithering when the selected option isn't possible would really help, though.

FF

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:15 am
by Wengero
not 100% sure about this but, if your set to invisible and you talk to someone then there client knows your not invisible and that could explain why your friend saw you

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:29 am
by LuxuryChair
Image

I know its not exactly what you want, but if you didn't know, Adium does let you choose different away messages for different clients.

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:39 am
by evands
Invisible in AIM does work. There is, however, a bug in Adium 0.8x which causes signing on as Invisible in AIM not to properly set you to invisible.

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:46 am
by Firefairy
I do know that talking to someone pops me out of invisible on most clients. I was talking to him on another computer and a separate account entirely.

Slightly clearer way to say the last bit, I think. Sorry, I know this is confusing.

In Trillian, I can create an overall Away state which, when activated, sets my Yahoo account to Invisible, my ICQ account to Available, and my AIM account to Away (or any other combination supported by the respective services). It will not accept instructions to do things the services don't support, like tell AIM to be Invisible.

In Adium, it will accept impossible instructions, which apparently just fail, and never tell me there was a problem. Which means I can't use the universal status setting and have to set each connection individually (or at least AIM separately) if I'm doing anything but Away or Available, because while Adium will indicate that I am in the requested status, it won't always be accurate.

This also requires me to keep track of which tricks work in which clients so that I can remember what I'm really projecting, rather than simply being able to trust my status icons and notes. :(

FF

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:47 am
by Firefairy
Sorry- Missed that last one. I think I thought it was part of the post with the image. So, AIM does support invisible now? Cool. Is there a timeline on fixing the bug? Are all the other cool little status tricks (like setting how long you've been Away) also supported on all services? It's much less important, I was just wondering.

FF

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:49 am
by hsm
I have the same problem. It's also described here:
http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/3139

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:09 pm
by evands
AIM, ICQ, and Yahoo all support Invisible, FYI.

If there happened to be a service which didn't support Invisible... I don't believe Bonjour does, for example... Adium will put you Away if you choose Invisible, which is the closest thing it can do.

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:52 pm
by Firefairy
Okay. I thought it was a glitch with a missing option, but apparently it's just a bug. I can work with that better. :-)

So, if you ask it to do something it can't, it does dither it to something close. Does it actually mark you as Away on your own menus when it does that?

FF

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:40 pm
by evands
Firefairy wrote:So, if you ask it to do something it can't, it does dither it to something close. Does it actually mark you as Away on your own menus when it does that?
No, but that would be a clever thing for it to do. File a request in the Trac system please?

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:15 am
by Firefairy
The dithering, the actually telling you what's really going on, or both?

I'd be happy to put in a request, but I'm not sure where- instructions, and ye shall receive. :)

FF

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:20 am
by Catfish_Man
Firefairy wrote:The dithering, the actually telling you what's really going on, or both?

I'd be happy to put in a request, but I'm not sure where- instructions, and ye shall receive. :)

FF
*Catfish_Man summons the mighty power of the wiki!*

http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/ConceptCreatingATicket 8)

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:08 pm
by Firefairy
I think I did that right.

http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/3436#preview

FF