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quickly posted the icon as i got requests for it

http://www.med-designs.com/downloads.php

evands wrote:

medicine wrote:Well I'm not going to be staying for long have to say I'm a protues memeber, Just here till proteus updates gaim so I can use it with my proxy. I like aduim but its just to damm customizable for me, I believe applications should have a rooted design. Also Can't say I'm a big fan of the whole tabs on the bottom thing. Yep I will be out of your hair before to long....

Care to discuss this further? I'm interested.

- How does "too damn customizable" impact your usage? Could you cite one or two examples in which customizability of Adium either a) makes it not behave the way you want or b) makes it confusing to make it behave the way it should? Feel free to do this as regards Adium independently or, if it's easier, by comparison to Proteus.

- Wouldn't having an option not have tabs on the bottom be further customizability? Do you like tabs in general and dislike them at the bottom, or is this a reflection of preferring the Proteus-style drawer or some other implementation of multi-chat windows?

I'd like the answers to these questions as well.

The_Tick wrote:

evands wrote:

medicine wrote:Well I'm not going to be staying for long have to say I'm a protues memeber, Just here till proteus updates gaim so I can use it with my proxy. I like aduim but its just to damm customizable for me, I believe applications should have a rooted design. Also Can't say I'm a big fan of the whole tabs on the bottom thing. Yep I will be out of your hair before to long....

Care to discuss this further? I'm interested.

- How does "too damn customizable" impact your usage? Could you cite one or two examples in which customizability of Adium either a) makes it not behave the way you want or b) makes it confusing to make it behave the way it should? Feel free to do this as regards Adium independently or, if it's easier, by comparison to Proteus.

- Wouldn't having an option not have tabs on the bottom be further customizability? Do you like tabs in general and dislike them at the bottom, or is this a reflection of preferring the Proteus-style drawer or some other implementation of multi-chat windows?

I'd like the answers to these questions as well.

I will write the answers soon don't have the time at the moment busy reseaching punk design

Just to confirm I don't diss like aduim its just not for me. I will answer all them questions later

medicine wrote:

The_Tick wrote:

evands wrote: Care to discuss this further? I'm interested.

- How does "too damn customizable" impact your usage? Could you cite one or two examples in which customizability of Adium either a) makes it not behave the way you want or b) makes it confusing to make it behave the way it should? Feel free to do this as regards Adium independently or, if it's easier, by comparison to Proteus.

- Wouldn't having an option not have tabs on the bottom be further customizability? Do you like tabs in general and dislike them at the bottom, or is this a reflection of preferring the Proteus-style drawer or some other implementation of multi-chat windows?

I'd like the answers to these questions as well.

I will write the answers soon don't have the time at the moment busy reseaching punk design

Just to confirm I don't diss like aduim its just not for me. I will answer all them questions later

Don't worry, we understand

I didn't think you were dissing, just wanted to know so maybe it can be looked at in adium.

before i begin here... i'm not med... but wanted to add some input here. i'm an avid adium user and love it... build it from svn almost daily... so don't take this the wrong way.

i understand that there are alot of settings for the contact list in its current form, and i understand, i think, that this is the reason for the two sheets that you currently have to wait for to pop down. and you can't get to the other one without closing the previous one. it's frustrating to change your contact list (not that you do that often anyway) in adium because of those sheets. this is really the only complaint i see... and i've come up with a way, i think, to handle it better. now, i'm not a obj-c programmer, so i don't know how hard this is or anything, but here goes:

would it be possible to simply have a check box in one of the preferences to show advanced preferences? for instance:

if this box was not checked, and you were looking at the prefs for the contact list, you would see the 4 or so different options for the overall style (contact bubbles, group bubbles etc...) and colors. that's it.

if the box was checked you'd see the additional options to change all the other stuff in that same prefpane, so we wouldn't have to have that sheet.

anyway, i'm sure a lot of time went into discussing and deciding how the preferences were going to be laid out, and i'm really not complaining about it, and maybe it just doesn't seem intuitive to me. either way, adium rocks along with all the people who make it happen, i just thought i'd interject an example that i think could improve usability. don't agree? no hard feelings.

mitch.

evands wrote: Care to discuss this further? I'm interested.

- How does "too damn customizable" impact your usage? Could you cite one or two examples in which customizability of Adium either a) makes it not behave the way you want or b) makes it confusing to make it behave the way it should? Feel free to do this as regards Adium independently or, if it's easier, by comparison to Proteus.

- Wouldn't having an option not have tabs on the bottom be further customizability? Do you like tabs in general and dislike them at the bottom, or is this a reflection of preferring the Proteus-style drawer or some other implementation of multi-chat windows?

to answer the Questions above ---

I personally like an application to have a rooted design as the user interface is going to help to pull together an identity for the product. To much customization means that the identity of the program is blurred.

Thank the lord of the duck its the only thing holding adium identity together at the moment.

I personally think every interface should take hints from apple, they are the gods of this so listen to them. Apple gives a programer 2 options Brush Metal or Aqua the program should choose one of these and stick to it.

In the case of Adium it doesn't choose either you can do whatever you like to it and when people that are not designers start create skins and what not we have a problem.

What I would like to see --

1) A redesign of the interface - to start choose aqua or brush metal and stick with it. I would love to see a brush metal interface although people tend to be scared to do it as it would have an ichat like appears which might step on apples toes abit.

2) remove most of the customizable options say bye bye.....

3) make things easier one of the things that really confused me about adium is trying to make meta contacts wheres the need for holding down alt???

- How does "too damn customizable" impact your usage

To be honest it doesn't I'm just one of the people that need my applications to look sleek and sexy. I refuse to use aMSN just on the fact that its UGLY...

I think adium is a great application and open source is the way forward so great work.

medicine wrote:I personally like an application to have a rooted design as the user interface is going to help to pull together an identity for the product. To much customization means that the identity of the program is blurred.

Thank the lord of the duck its the only thing holding adium identity together at the moment.

I agree with you that identity is important, but what about an application for which an open minded approach to customization is one of its main identifying qualities?

medicine wrote:I personally think every interface should take hints from apple, they are the gods of this so listen to them. Apple gives a programer 2 options Brush Metal or Aqua the program should choose one of these and stick to it.

In the case of Adium it doesn't choose either you can do whatever you like to it and when people that are not designers start create skins and what not we have a problem.

What I would like to see --

1) A redesign of the interface - to start choose aqua or brush metal and stick with it. I would love to see a brush metal interface although people tend to be scared to do it as it would have an ichat like appears which might step on apples toes abit.

You are incorrect, Adium does not offer the choice of brushed metal.

medicine wrote:2) remove most of the customizable options say bye bye.....

(See first point)

medicine wrote:3) make things easier one of the things that really confused me about adium is trying to make meta contacts wheres the need for holding down alt???

Agreed, I'm not a fan of the hidden key required for contact grouping.

medicine wrote:To be honest it doesn't I'm just one of the people that need my applications to look sleek and sexy. I refuse to use aMSN just on the fact that its UGLY...

I think adium is a great application and open source is the way forward so great work.

Agreed as well. And although you didn't come right out and say it, I agree that our graphics leave a lot to be desired in the sexy department.

Personally I feel that the biggest flaw of our 0.8 release will be that it's still using the same artwork as 0.7. We really need a fresh set of toolbar, status, and service icons to bring the graphics up to the level our code and functionality have risen to as of late.

Adam Iser wrote:

medicine wrote:I personally think every interface should take hints from apple, they are the gods of this so listen to them. Apple gives a programer 2 options Brush Metal or Aqua the program should choose one of these and stick to it.

In the case of Adium it doesn't choose either you can do whatever you like to it and when people that are not designers start create skins and what not we have a problem.

What I would like to see --

1) A redesign of the interface - to start choose aqua or brush metal and stick with it. I would love to see a brush metal interface although people tend to be scared to do it as it would have an ichat like appears which might step on apples toes abit.

You are incorrect, Adium does not offer the choice of brushed metal.

sorry I didn't mean that It did have a brush metal options. I simply meant that I think that aduim should stick to the aqua style interface if thats the one it has chosen to work with out of

- Brush metal
or
-Aqua

not let the contact list be completely reworked by a themer

Adam Iser wrote:

medicine wrote:I personally like an application to have a rooted design as the user interface is going to help to pull together an identity for the product. To much customization means that the identity of the program is blurred.

Thank the lord of the duck its the only thing holding adium identity together at the moment.

I agree with you that identity is important, but what about an application for which an open minded approach to customization is one of its main identifying qualities?

I completely agree that this is one of the things that some people love about adium. I'm only explaining my point of view and the reasons why I prefer the protues interface.

If you removed the ability to customize the whole app some people would not like it, then again some would.

medicine wrote:

Adam Iser wrote:

medicine wrote:I personally think every interface should take hints from apple, they are the gods of this so listen to them. Apple gives a programer 2 options Brush Metal or Aqua the program should choose one of these and stick to it.

In the case of Adium it doesn't choose either you can do whatever you like to it and when people that are not designers start create skins and what not we have a problem.

What I would like to see --

1) A redesign of the interface - to start choose aqua or brush metal and stick with it. I would love to see a brush metal interface although people tend to be scared to do it as it would have an ichat like appears which might step on apples toes abit.

You are incorrect, Adium does not offer the choice of brushed metal.

sorry I didn't mean that It did have a brush metal options. I simply meant that I think that aduim should stick to the aqua style interface if thats the one it has chosen to work with out of

- Brush metal
or
-Aqua

not let the contact list be completely reworked by a themer

Can you expound on this? It seems as though you are still trying to say that adium can give you brushed or aqua options.

medicine wrote:

Adam Iser wrote:

medicine wrote:I personally like an application to have a rooted design as the user interface is going to help to pull together an identity for the product. To much customization means that the identity of the program is blurred.

Thank the lord of the duck its the only thing holding adium identity together at the moment.

I agree with you that identity is important, but what about an application for which an open minded approach to customization is one of its main identifying qualities?

I completely agree that this is one of the things that some people love about adium. I'm only explaining my point of view and the reasons why I prefer the protues interface.

If you removed the ability to customize the whole app some people would not like it, then again some would.

So you are agreeing that adium has a focus and your original problem with adium isn't really a problem?

The_Tick wrote:

medicine wrote:

Adam Iser wrote: I agree with you that identity is important, but what about an application for which an open minded approach to customization is one of its main identifying qualities?

I completely agree that this is one of the things that some people love about adium. I'm only explaining my point of view and the reasons why I prefer the protues interface.

If you removed the ability to customize the whole app some people would not like it, then again some would.

So you are agreeing that adium has a focus and your original problem with adium isn't really a problem?

it has a focus but for me and alot of other its not the right one.

The_Tick wrote:

medicine wrote:

Adam Iser wrote: You are incorrect, Adium does not offer the choice of brushed metal.

sorry I didn't mean that It did have a brush metal options. I simply meant that I think that aduim should stick to the aqua style interface if thats the one it has chosen to work with out of

- Brush metal
or
-Aqua

not let the contact list be completely reworked by a themer

Can you expound on this? It seems as though you are still trying to say that adium can give you brushed or aqua options.

ok apples application or any applications made for OS X
should be designed in the one of 2 styles

Aqua - examples skype, protues, mail, poisoned,
Brush Metal- examples iphoto, ichat, itunes safari

Adium doesn't. I personally and this is only my view think it should.

medicine wrote:ok apples application or any applications made for OS X
should be designed in the one of 2 styles

Aqua - examples skype, protues, mail, poisoned,
Brush Metal- examples iphoto, ichat, itunes safari

Adium doesn't. I personally and this is only my view think it should.

Because we are the only application on the platform with a custom UI. NOT.

All Pro apps - different interface.
GarageBand - different interface.
iPulse - different interface.

and on and on...

Get over your narrow tunnel vision. Want to be constrained - go buy Proteus... they'll be grateful.

bgannin wrote:

medicine wrote:ok apples application or any applications made for OS X
should be designed in the one of 2 styles

Aqua - examples skype, protues, mail, poisoned,
Brush Metal- examples iphoto, ichat, itunes safari

Adium doesn't. I personally and this is only my view think it should.

Because we are the only application on the platform with a custom UI. NOT.

All Pro apps - different interface.
GarageBand - different interface.
iPulse - different interface.

and on and on...

Get over your narrow tunnel vision. Want to be constrained - go buy Proteus... they'll be grateful.

All Pro apps - different interface.---- held within a brush metal of aqua interface

GarageBand - different interface. - same as above
iPulse - different interface. - yep this your right about, but its not so much an application as all it does it show information.

I have 3 proteus serials and I didn't buy one :twisted:

You ask for me to expand and then I get this. Well if your an example of whatever one around here is like it will go else where.

narrow tunnel vision ha thats ironic

medicine wrote:ok apples application or any applications made for OS X
should be designed in the one of 2 styles

Aqua - examples skype, protues, mail, poisoned,
Brush Metal- examples iphoto, ichat, itunes safari

Adium doesn't. I personally and this is only my view think it should.

Adium is an aqua application. It has aqua windows, aqua control sizing and placement, aqua spacing on window edges, aqua toolbars, aqua styled icons, etc.

What is your basis for claiming that Adium is neither aqua or brushed metal?

Adam Iser wrote:

medicine wrote:ok apples application or any applications made for OS X
should be designed in the one of 2 styles

Aqua - examples skype, protues, mail, poisoned,
Brush Metal- examples iphoto, ichat, itunes safari

Adium doesn't. I personally and this is only my view think it should.

Adium is an aqua application. It has aqua windows, aqua control sizing and placement, aqua spacing on window edges, aqua toolbars, aqua styled icons, etc.

What is your basis for claiming that Adium is neither aqua or brushed metal?

because it doesn't hold to the guide lines of either style..

Back off on him guys, we want to know.

bgannin, keep the posts civil and constructive please.

medicine wrote:

Adam Iser wrote:

medicine wrote:ok apples application or any applications made for OS X
should be designed in the one of 2 styles

Aqua - examples skype, protues, mail, poisoned,
Brush Metal- examples iphoto, ichat, itunes safari

Adium doesn't. I personally and this is only my view think it should.

Adium is an aqua application. It has aqua windows, aqua control sizing and placement, aqua spacing on window edges, aqua toolbars, aqua styled icons, etc.

What is your basis for claiming that Adium is neither aqua or brushed metal?

because it doesn't hold to the guide lines of either style..

Can you please provide some examples, as I have in my previous post?