Overall Startup Time

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Overall Startup Time

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Hi all,

Out of mere curiosity, what is the average effect on startup time for Growl users here?

At the moment, i have the following set to start at login, and have to wait more than 2 minutes for a usable desktop to be presented after logging in.

GrowlTunes
Hardware Growler
Growl Helper App

Running 10.4.6 on a 1.67ghz pbook g4/2gb ram
Is it possible to view an exact time taken to startup, from a system log file or something?
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highpass wrote:Is it possible to view an exact time taken to startup, from a system log file or something?


Ya know, I've never thought of such a thing. That would be really cool!
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ahh Mr Helpful...

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funny guy, didn't feel like submitting anything about your startup time then?

Perhaps directions on how to find such things, which log, etc, would've been more helpful than that sarcastic attempt. I had a peek in Console, and don't know where to look.
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I don't think he was being sarcastic.

The trouble with measuring the time for things to become available after login is that several services and apps are starting at the same time.

A more accurate way to test would be not to launch them at login, but wait for the rest of the system to settle down, then measure how long it takes for the Growl apps to start. (isolate them from other factors.)

You could write a simple script that launched them - but I have no idea how it would know when they are finished launching.

(hmm - perhaps you could get that time by turning logging on in Growl and then get the time that HWGrowler starts to post notifications from there.)
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Woooops

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Oh, perhaps i was too quick to assume, sorry if so!

Yep good point about the other services making it an unfair test.

I guess all I'd really like to know, is whether 1) Everyone has a fairly lengthy pause during login whilst waiting for a usable desktop, and 2) Whether it's possible to improve said times by further developing the aforementioned components of Growl.

Obviously I have about as much knowledge with programming as I do about sarcasm, so any info is more than welcome :-)

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highpass wrote:I guess all I'd really like to know, is whether 1) Everyone has a fairly lengthy pause during login whilst waiting for a usable desktop...

I sure do.
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Macskeeball wrote:
highpass wrote:I guess all I'd really like to know, is whether 1) Everyone has a fairly lengthy pause during login whilst waiting for a usable desktop...

I sure do.

Ditto
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tomhennigan wrote:
Macskeeball wrote:
highpass wrote:I guess all I'd really like to know, is whether 1) Everyone has a fairly lengthy pause during login whilst waiting for a usable desktop...

I sure do.

Ditto


Myself as well.
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hah so it's pretty safe to say a fair percentage, if not all, users experience these problems.

so can anyone shed any light on whether it's here to stay, or if there are plans to help minimalise it during further development?
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I have a script that restarts GrowlHelperApp and it usually takes around 5 seconds to run. (This is as unscientific as everything else, since it is being controlled by an applescript process that can take up most of the user time.)

At startup, I think that Apple has improved the apparent startup time by moving the time when some processes start to after the desktop is shown. Is the login process noticably quicker if the Growl components are disabled?
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Post by The_Tick »

So far none of this has been useful data, other than some of you say you have slow startup times, and that some of you relate that to Growl starting up.

1) How much time is "slow"? Slow is a relative term, meaning that someone could think 30 seconds is slow, someone else 3 seconds, and another person 20 hours.

2) What operating system are you using?

3) What version of Growl are you using?

4) How many applications are in your applications tab?

5) How long does it take to start Growl on its own? (from the general tab)

6) Please list everything else in your startup list.

7) When did you first notice that login time was slow?


8) Is it login time or startup time that is slow? Please turn off automatic logging in if that is enabled, and then time how long it takes to get to the login prompt, and how long it takes to log in.



This information from multiple sources would be more beneficial than everyone guessing,
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Used to be slow

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Alright, so let me see if I can say this coherently. (It's late and I'm tired.)

12-inch PowerBook, 1.33 Ghz G4, 512 MB RAM, 60g HD.

This was my configuration a few weeks ago, and I used to have a really, really slow startup. As in a three, maybe four minutes of wait time from the startup sound.

Then, my HD died. I had to get a new one (80g) and reinstalled Tiger without using my PowerBook recovery DVDs. Now, startup is about 30 seconds, if not less. And I have almost all the same startup items.

I'm not saavy enough to know where to look for logs and the like, but I'd be happy to post them if you can tell me where they are.

As for the rest of the required info:

1) How much time is "slow"? Slow is a relative term, meaning that someone could think 30 seconds is slow, someone else 3 seconds, and another person 20 hours.

Slow was before the crash - three or four minutes.

2) What operating system are you using?

OS X 10.4.6

3) What version of Growl are you using?

Growl 0.7.4

4) How many applications are in your applications tab?

Nine.

5) How long does it take to start Growl on its own? (from the general tab)

About 1 second.

6) Please list everything else in your startup list.

-FontExplorerXAutoload
-LittleSnitchDaemon
-GrowlHelperApp
-Quicksilver
-Synergyd
-iTunesHelper
-Microsoft Au Daemon
-Desktop Manager
-ChronosNotesService
-Missing Sync Monitor
-MenuCalenderClock iCal

7) When did you first notice that login time was slow?

Not sure. Sorry.

8) Is it login time or startup time that is slow? Please turn off automatic logging in if that is enabled, and then time how long it takes to get to the login prompt, and how long it takes to log in.

Can't recreate this.
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an0n wrote: Can't recreate this.


Why not?
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The_Tick wrote:Why not?

Because it's not slow anymore? Would you still like me to try it anyway?
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an0n wrote:
The_Tick wrote:Why not?

Because it's not slow anymore? Would you still like me to try it anyway?


If it's not slow anymore, and you didn't do anything with Growl, then it's not Growl that slowed it down.

And no, not worth trying.
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The_Tick wrote:If it's not slow anymore, and you didn't do anything with Growl, then it's not Growl that slowed it down.

That's what I think.

Here's a question to all those with problems: What version of OS X are you running and, did you upgrade to Tiger or do a clean install?
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1) How much time is "slow"? Slow is a relative term, meaning that someone could think 30 seconds is slow, someone else 3 seconds, and another person 20 hours.

2 minutes +

2) What operating system are you using?

10.4.6 Clean, 6 month old laptop (ie HD is in perfect nick)

3) What version of Growl are you using?

0.74

4) How many applications are in your applications tab?

13

5) How long does it take to start Growl on its own? (from the general tab)

<1 second

6) Please list everything else in your startup list.

GrowlHelperApp
Hardware Growler
GrowlTunes
Quicksilver

7) When did you first notice that login time was slow?

After installing Growl, more notably, Hardware Growler

8) Is it login time or startup time that is slow? Please turn off automatic logging in if that is enabled, and then time how long it takes to get to the login prompt, and how long it takes to log in.

To Login Prompt: 2-5 seconds
To show beginnings of desktop from login: 1-3 seconds
Until usable desktop: 2-2.5 minutes
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Ok, now remove Growl from the login items, and log out and back in.
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Post by highpass »

I assumed you meant all Growl related items.. after removing them, 'time until usable desktop' is down from 2 minutes to 5 seconds.
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highpass wrote:I assumed you meant all Growl related items.. after removing them, 'time until usable desktop' is down from 2 minutes to 5 seconds.


And if you readd it and do it again?
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