Why So Complicated ??

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Why So Complicated ??

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Here is my "problem", perhaps a suggestion...

It was my understanding that Mac makes things easy. Well, not so. At least with file transfer. I think the problems posted in this forum pertain to technological info that we, a regular users, should NOT worry about at all !

There were time when we had to type in foot-long equation to get our Tandy computers to tell us what time it is. We are doing similar tasks today dealing with gaps in FTP softwares

Computer user is an "user", not a computer scientist. Therefore "user" should not even know what FTP...etc. stands for.

An "user" should care about how to design his/her web page - and click just ONCE. Yes, just ONCE. All the nonsense (like: upload, download, configure, log-in, FTP vs SFTP....etc ) should take place AUTOMATICALLY !

I hope some smart 10-year old kid will read my message and that he/she will dedicate couple of days of his/her play time to design such as open source software so we don't have to deal with all these stupid, rudimentary problems that are nothing else but product of inefficiently designed FTP programs.
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You're welcome to change the way FTP works and get programs around it, but this seems like a big rant based on your frustration, and not something within the scope of Cyberduck
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Heh, I checked his profile to be sure this wasn't really unusual spam. I don't believe it is.
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Milan wrote:There were time when we had to type in foot-long equation to get our Tandy computers to tell us what time it is. We are doing similar tasks today dealing with gaps in FTP softwares
I think you have your evidence right there that there has been progress in the usability of computers. :)

The thing is, changes in usability don't just happen overnight. Just because you haven't seen changes yet doesn't mean that they aren't happening.
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i agree with you...but what makes me to think about it the way i presented it is - that these are true basics - not a complicated programming procedures...
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evands wrote:Heh, I checked his profile to be sure this wasn't really unusual spam. I don't believe it is.
not spammer pal, just plainly curious...
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Milan wrote:i agree with you...but what makes me to think about it the way i presented it is - that these are true basics - not a complicated programming procedures...
But how is a piece of software supposed to know about the configuration of your webserver? You have to configure it at least once—and Cyberduck can store that config information so you don't have to do it again. Furthermore, various file-transfer protocols operate in slightly different ways.

So yes, it'd be nice if this was all transparent to the user, and it's something to strive for. And I think there are at least some developers—maybe even Cyberduck developers—who are working on this issue. Just because you haven't seen it happen yet, doesn't mean that people aren't working on it. ;) It's a tough issue, trying to abstract different protocols and configurations in such a way as to be transparent to the end-user.
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Post by solipsist »

I guess there's room for improvement everywhere and I know I'm rather quick to point at faults with applications, but Cyberduck is amazingly well designed considering 1) it is open source and not charged for and 2) FTP tranfer is rather technical, as has been pointed out.

I love the fact that there's a "parent folder" or "up" button, something that isn't in the Finder (which someone like me who has gone from Windows and its Explorer to Mac OSX and its Finder finds extremely frustrating, apparently my Macophiliac friend didn't understand the concept or the need of it when I tried to explain it and why it made the Finder suck! :))

If you want to see what a GUI desktop metaphor-based FTP application can be like, try WS_FTP on Windows 3.11 ;)

You can't do FTP transfers without having to enter password and basic server configuration. Perhaps some ways around this would be:
- Cyberduck can probe the remote server and suggest its configuration.
- Cyberduck can load ready made profiles (that contain basic server info) you get from your ISP for example to upload files to the homepage web hosting space they provide.

The only fault I can find with it is that the recent update totally broke its upload feature. :)
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