Have the smileys in rows instead of a list

1985 · Post by **1985** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:18 pm

One thing I miss from the official MSN client is the "list" of smileys. Why not put 5 smileys per row instead of 1?

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:49 pm

i've been thinking about this thing for a long time. but it's not that simple. how, for instance, would you handle the groups of smilies?

Post by **The_Tick** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:11 pm

What in the world?

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:31 pm

by saying "group of smilies" i mean emoticons packs

dchoby98 · Post by **dchoby98** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:33 pm

I believe you mean putting the list of available emoticons into a grid, not just a list as we have now. There are issues though -- in MSN, you only have one set of emoticons. In Adium, you can have lots of different packs of emoticons active all at once. Would you have a list of emoticon packs, and then a submenu with a grid of emoticons in that pack? It's a tricky issue that we've hit (and not solved) before.

Post by **The_Tick** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:34 pm

dchoby98 wrote:I believe you mean putting the list of available emoticons into a grid, not just a list as we have now. There are issues though -- in MSN, you only have one set of emoticons. In Adium, you can have lots of different packs of emoticons active all at once. Would you have a list of emoticon packs, and then a submenu with a grid of emoticons in that pack? It's a tricky issue that we've hit (and not solved) before.

Ahh, this makes sense.

The correlation can be used with trillian. Having more than one pack enabled in trillian can be unweildy at best, and unusable at worst, depending on the pack size. I think this would be a bad idea.

wunderwood · Post by **wunderwood** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:58 pm

Besides you get names for each emotion this way.

troplin · Post by **troplin** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:14 pm

what's about a floating window that (dis-)appears on pressing the emoticon button? like the font formatting palette

troplin · Post by **troplin** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:28 pm

another thing.

am right that if you have 2 emoticon sets active and both of the use the : - ) for a different emoticon, then only the one with the higher priority is available?
So if I choose the one with lower priority from the menu, the other one will appear.

Wouldn't it make sense to eliminate these duplicates by making one single menu/palette with every _available_ emoticon, but not divided by set.

dchoby98 · Post by **dchoby98** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:22 am

We divide by set so that you can find a specific one more easily and not get confused. If you have MSN and AIM emoticons enabled, then you will probably not want to send "(H)" to an AIM user -- they won't be able to see it!

1985 · Post by **1985** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:26 am

dchoby98 wrote:Would you have a list of emoticon packs, and then a submenu with a grid of emoticons in that pack?

That would be fine with me. Don't know how hard it is to fix but if only one emoticon pack is active only the grid would show.

Besides you get names for each emotion this way.

Yes, maybe an option to view as grid or list would be useful?

Strifer · Post by **Strifer** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:04 pm

what about a frequent emoticon-list or bar? i don't use all emoticons anyway and this ensures quick access to often used emoticons and makes a list shorter...

2manydjs · Post by **2manydjs** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:15 pm

Why is it hard to implement?
Just something like this:
http://forum.macosx.nl/album_pic.php?pic_id=5770
(of-course with different smileys....)

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:23 pm

is there any way to know when the mouse is on an NSMenuItem? something like NSResponder's -mouseEntered: ?

troplin · Post by **troplin** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:15 am

dchoby98 wrote:We divide by set so that you can find a specific one more easily and not get confused. If you have MSN and AIM emoticons enabled, then you will probably not want to send "(H)" to an AIM user -- they won't be able to see it!

and all the custom emoticon packs become useless...? don't you send custom emoticons to other people? if not they are only displayed when the other types the right thing, what he doesn't even knows. and if he knows he has probably a similar pack installed and then he will also be able to see it when you send it to him.

dchoby98 · Post by **dchoby98** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:42 am

You are right, we DON'T send custom emoticons to other people. This isn't possible on most protocols, and MSN has only just started this. We don't yet support it, and aren't planning to in the near future. So, emoticon packs are mainly for (1) your own fun, or (2) talking to other Adium users.

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:16 pm

2manydjs wrote:Why is it hard to implement?
Just something like this:
http://forum.macosx.nl/album_pic.php?pic_id=5770
(of-course with different smileys....)

I did some reading and i don't think it is possible to do it. The problem is that you can't know when the mouse is over the menu so you'll have to click the menu in order to see the "table of smilies" and in my opinion, it's not quite useful this way...
any other suggestions?

Son of a Preacher Man · Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:06 pm

I quite like iChat's little emoticons menu in the typing bar. I'm guessing that's not the easiest thing in the world to code, though.

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:08 pm

and what will happen with smilies packs?

Son of a Preacher Man · Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:24 pm

ofri wrote:and what will happen with smilies packs?

You mean, how would they be displayed? Well, any enabled packs would be shown in the menu, with a divider line to keep them visibly separate.