Away/Idle in 0.82

OmniGeno · Post by **OmniGeno** » Tue May 10, 2005 4:34 am

racheli wrote:
OmniGeno wrote:Memorize the key combo cmd-opt-Y. Press this when you want to bring up the Custom... status window. It's faster than scrolling to the bottom of the menu to get to it. Key combos are faster in general with whatever you're doing in any application.
I believe you mean Command-Y.

That is true: Command-Y will do the job. However, command-option-Y has an added benefit. If you're already away, pressing this combo will bring up the Custom Status window w/o removing your existing away message. So when you press OK here, it'll simply replace your existing message w/ the new one.

racheli wrote:
OmniGeno wrote:I don't really have a problem with this one, but I guess it would be nice to address this issue for an upcoming release. I tend to place the status window north of my buddy list, and so when the list gets long enough (it grows upwards due to the awesome auto-resize feature) part of it is covered by the status window. I usually just move the status window somewhere else when that happens though.
What can I say - I'm a creature of habit. I've always had my away message in the center, my buddy list on the right. Currently the away message window is just south of the chat window (so they don't overlap), but that just feels very odd. I think in general, it should be able to go behind the chat window, just in case there are others out there like me who must have their away message centered on the screen. Heh!

Oh, that's totally fine. It's not really a lot to ask (I hope

) and there are definitely others out there who are particular about how they want their stuff customized. That's why we're Mac users, and that's why we use Adium! Keep up the superb work, Adium team!

Adam Iser · Post by **Adam Iser** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:05 am

http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/101 ?

racheli · Post by **racheli** » Tue May 10, 2005 1:13 pm

Adam Iser wrote: http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/101 ?

Am I allowed to add to that the idea to have the "Custom..." message option up top?

I don't know how these tickets work, sorry! I just heard about them yesterday.

JediL1 · Post by **JediL1** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:45 pm

I agree with evilpenguin and the original poster about the custom away messages.

I would like the ability when you select "Custom Away Message" to be able to include the text of a saved away message to edit.

Ex. If your saved away messages are song lyrics to be able to do "Custom Away Message" and then select one of the saved away messages and add a line or two at the bottom like "class...dinner...hw" and set it with the option of also saving it.

wunderwood · Post by **wunderwood** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:18 pm

What about if you hold down command or option or something and select a preset status from the status menu, contact list menu, or EMD than instead of setting your status to that right away, it bring up the custom message wind with the text from the status you selected already typed in.

For example: say one of my saved aways is named Beatles and the message is "All you need is love". While holding down command (or whatever key you set) I go to the status menu (or contact list or EMD) and select Beatles from the list of aways. Usually it would set my away message to "All you need is love", but because I had command held down I get the Custom Away window and "All you need is love" is already typed into the window. Now I can type "......I'm eating fool" at the end of it and set my message as "All you need is love......I'm eating fool".

That's my idea of a compromise to solve this.

evilpenguin · Post by **evilpenguin** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:00 pm

wunderwood wrote:What about if you hold down command or option or something and select a preset status from the status menu, contact list menu, or EMD than instead of setting your status to that right away, it bring up the custom message wind with the text from the status you selected already typed in.

For example: say one of my saved aways is named Beatles and the message is "All you need is love". While holding down command (or whatever key you set) I go to the status menu (or contact list or EMD) and select Beatles from the list of aways. Usually it would set my away message to "All you need is love", but because I had command held down I get the Custom Away window and "All you need is love" is already typed into the window. Now I can type "......I'm eating fool" at the end of it and set my message as "All you need is love......I'm eating fool".

That's my idea of a compromise to solve this.

I like that even better than my original idea. Two-thumbs up.

danielsh · Post by **danielsh** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:41 pm

evilpenguin wrote:
wunderwood wrote:What about if you hold down command or option or something and select a preset status from the status menu, contact list menu, or EMD than instead of setting your status to that right away, it bring up the custom message wind with the text from the status you selected already typed in.

For example: say one of my saved aways is named Beatles and the message is "All you need is love". While holding down command (or whatever key you set) I go to the status menu (or contact list or EMD) and select Beatles from the list of aways. Usually it would set my away message to "All you need is love", but because I had command held down I get the Custom Away window and "All you need is love" is already typed into the window. Now I can type "......I'm eating fool" at the end of it and set my message as "All you need is love......I'm eating fool".

That's my idea of a compromise to solve this.
I like that even better than my original idea. Two-thumbs up.

That works for me. I apologize for offending the Adium developers, I just miss a few features in what is otherwise a great release. I'm not trying to attack all of Adium, or even all of the new away box (though I understand my original post read that way). Anyway, if the developers are really married to these changes, I'll learn to deal.

Sorry to be confrontational!

John Don · Post by **John Don** » Wed May 11, 2005 12:10 am

evilpenguin wrote:
wunderwood wrote:What about if you hold down command or option or something and select a preset status from the status menu, contact list menu, or EMD than instead of setting your status to that right away, it bring up the custom message wind with the text from the status you selected already typed in.

For example: say one of my saved aways is named Beatles and the message is "All you need is love". While holding down command (or whatever key you set) I go to the status menu (or contact list or EMD) and select Beatles from the list of aways. Usually it would set my away message to "All you need is love", but because I had command held down I get the Custom Away window and "All you need is love" is already typed into the window. Now I can type "......I'm eating fool" at the end of it and set my message as "All you need is love......I'm eating fool".

That's my idea of a compromise to solve this.
I like that even better than my original idea. Two-thumbs up.

I love this idea! I think this would silence what a lot of us feel is wrong with the new status system, and I would appreciate and use this feature as well!

thejokell · Post by **thejokell** » Wed May 11, 2005 12:28 am

Considering I have no saved away messages (other than an invisible state) I don't care if this is implemented or not - but I think option-clicking a saved away to edit it is a great idea!

JediL1 · Post by **JediL1** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:13 am

I have to echo everyone else and say that CMD or Option clicking a saved away message to copy it into a new Custom status is a great idea!

The Naughty One · Post by **The Naughty One** » Thu May 12, 2005 6:03 am

At first, I didn't care for the .8 changes in idle and away messages. But having taken a bit of time to look at it, I guess it's actually not bad at all. It's just hard getting used to the new deal.

The only thing is... I liked being able to set myself idle quickly with a simple menu selection. It didn't take me long to figure out how to make a preset that would do the job, but there's no quick way to set a custom idle time. Yes yes, I know we "shouldn't" be doing that

, but I've found it to be very handy in avoiding people I don't want to talk to at the moment but don't want to block (ie: making it look like I've been gone for hours). It's basically just a different way of going invisible, and if the developers are going to enable the stalkers that way, what's the big deal in enabling the people who want to avoid the stalkers?

I've made some preset idle times, of course, but now my status menu is clogged with them. Also, what if I want to set myself idle while already away? I now have to create several different presets of the same away message, one idle and one not?

This is the only important part of the post, so feel free to ignore the rest of my rambling. I'd like to suggest that in addition to the current way to go idle, why not create a little checkbox on the floating status window that appears when away that lets you go immediately idle while remaining away without having to go to the menu to custom-create one or select a preset? When checked, the window could expand dynamically to allow custom idle to be set (or not). And by unchecking the box, you go active again. Basically turn it into a one-click thing. I'm no expert, but from a UI perspective, it seems to me that a single click is preferable to menu selections. (If someone already suggested that, my apologies. It's late and I'm squinting at the screen trying to read.)

shadowsofthesun · Post by **shadowsofthesun** » Thu May 12, 2005 7:49 pm

Yeah, sorry about earlier. I don't think that Mr. Iser or I are fully understanding what the other is saying. I guess I shouldn't be complaining anyways, considering that Adium is better than any other IM port for Windows or Mac.

Requesting: Minimizing of away window to dock. Also, message count and grouping in the window (but That's on the roster already If I read that correctly, right?)

carlj7 · Post by **carlj7** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:23 am

Option clicking to set custom away messages is definitely a good call. Combined with away message groups, Adium would totally pwn.

OmniGeno · Post by **OmniGeno** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:25 am

carlj7 wrote: Adium would totally pwn.

Even more than it already does, that is.

Strifer · Post by **Strifer** » Fri May 13, 2005 7:36 am

you just need to get used to some changes. only thing i miss is my key combo for connect all

eightyd · Post by **eightyd** » Fri May 13, 2005 4:28 pm

I'm kind of a newbie to the forum, I've only posted a couple times, and I came here to voice my opinion about the custom idle times, but I just read naughty one's post and he said it perfectly. I used custom idle all the time to, well, avoid some people. For instance, my girlfriend knew I would set a custom idle time, and at times she is the only one I want to talk to on aim, so she could IM me and that would be perfect.

To whoever said that idle times weren't meant to be used this way anyways, then why are they an option in the new away message setup window? It's like "Well, you can set custom idle times, just not nearly as conveniently anymore." That seems an irrational argument.

Thanks Naughty one, you said it well.

Post by **jstamos** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:04 pm

Seems like people have some issues that need to be worked out outside of the IM world

Really though, you shouldn't be able to do this, so making it harder isn't a huge loss.

JediL1 · Post by **JediL1** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:22 pm

Don't take this as an insult, but I don't get where "you should be able to do this, you shouldn't be able to do that" came from. Isn't it all just features of the application?

Who gets to decide which things you should and shouldn't do? Couldn't it just be up to the users?

Apparently a lot of users feel strongly enough about it to come here, register and post messages about it.

danielsh · Post by **danielsh** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:25 pm

With all due respect---and I know I'm going to make even MORE enemies by saying this, but whatever, what does it matter---I don't think it matters what the users "should" or "shouldn't" be able to do. This is something that the users want to be able to do. The developers have every right to refuse to implement the feature, of course; it's just strange to be told what we "should" and "shouldn't" do.

Anyway, The Naughty One is making a more cogent and humble argument than I am, so let's all pay attention to him or her!

Edit:

And Jedi beat me to it. Must be those Force-enhanced reflexes.

Adam Iser · Post by **Adam Iser** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:32 pm

JediL1 wrote:Who gets to decide which things you should and shouldn't do?

Ones with the knowledge and dedication to provide possibilities are those whom dictate which possibilities are provided.