Adium loves gaim. But why?

yelly · Post by **yelly** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:31 pm

Catfish_Man wrote:
yelly wrote:While looking at the kopete website I noticed one thing that made me hate the project there and then, a "Wizard", Ahhhhhh, I hate wizards, they are one of the main reasons I left Windows, so, please, if you decide to incorporate some of the kopete code into Adium, don't use the wizard, anything but a wizard!!!
Well, we wouldn't be using any of there UI stuff, but we do hope to have a "first time user setup guide" thing for 1.0. There's a lot of stuff in Adium that most noobs never find out about (like, "how do I make an account"). I'll try to make sure it doesn't show up for existing users of Adium though, since they've already got things figured out.

as long as it isn't a wizard, I'm fine. you could make this "first time user setup guide" like the one Quicksilver has...

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:59 pm

Sooner or later, Chatkit is going to replace libgaim (or at least this is the plan).
Kopete might be interesting for Chatkit, but i can tell you that we were planning to use Telepathy as our main library.
I'll take a look at Kopete when i have the time and see what it has to offer for us (Catfish_Man / cbarrett, you're welcome to do this before me :-P).

- Ofri

Ethion · Post by **Ethion** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:38 pm

And chatkit is ?

Post by **durin42** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:57 pm

Evan and I took a look at Kopete yesterday, and while it looks promising, we're not yet sure it would necessarily provide us all the functionality that libgaim is giving us now.

That said, I'm going to keep an eye on the project, and maybe start a branch for some of their libs one day.

Thanks for the heads up, I had always figured Kopete used libgaim since everyone did. It's nice to see some people are making a clean start at it. Hopefully we'll get some interesting solutions to the various problems floating around in existing codebases.

FredAkbar · Post by **FredAkbar** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:20 pm

Would Adium (as an app) be much bigger or use much more CPU/RAM if it concurrently used libgaim for some protocols and joscar for another (especially if you were chatting on, say, MSN and AIM concurrently)?

ofri · Post by **ofri** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:30 pm

Ethion wrote:And chatkit is ?

Chatkit is a framework that will provide a lot of staff that IM clients need, like protocol implementations, AB integration, cool GUI stuff and anything else that we'll think is needed.
Currently Chatkit has a bonjour plugin, and we're working on the API that programs will use. Hopefully we'll soon have joscar plugin as well.

zaudragon · Post by **zaudragon** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:25 am

ofri wrote:
Ethion wrote:And chatkit is ?
Chatkit is a framework that will provide a lot of staff that IM clients need, like protocol implementations, AB integration, cool GUI stuff and anything else that we'll think is needed.
Currently Chatkit has a bonjour plugin, and we're working on the API that programs will use. Hopefully we'll soon have joscar plugin as well.

After adapting Adium to use it, it is hoped that other clients such as Fire and Proteus will follow suit, thus saving the developers from duplicating work that another client has already done.

Post by **evands** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:43 am

Catfish_Man wrote:I'll try to make sure it doesn't show up for existing users of Adium though, since they've already got things figured out.

Yeah, no need for that -- it only shows up if you launch Adium with no accounts created.

yelly wrote:as long as it isn't a wizard, I'm fine. you could make this "first time user setup guide" like the one Quicksilver has...

Do you just dislike the word "Wizard"?

yelly · Post by **yelly** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:23 pm

evands wrote:
yelly wrote:as long as it isn't a wizard, I'm fine. you could make this "first time user setup guide" like the one Quicksilver has...
Do you just dislike the word "Wizard"?

Well, I do dislike the word, but I dislike the entire ideology of Wizards and the way they work (or at least the Windows ones...).

Jona · Post by **Jona** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:12 pm

yelly wrote: Well, I do dislike the word, but I dislike the entire ideology of Wizards and the way they work (or at least the Windows ones...).

Abominable, aren't they? All that staff-waving, sleeve-pulling, and chant-regurgitating... and if ye take yer eyes off them for but a moment and turn yer back, the fireball's practically already hanging in the air...

(And their staffs ALWAYS have knobs on the end...)

I'm glad to have sparked such a discussion. Perhaps you devs were already aware of Kopete, and what it can and cannot offer, but I still hope it will be of benefit to the Adium project. And it would be wonderful if it could speed up the implementation of cam support.

Post by **Catfish_Man** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:31 pm

Jona wrote:<snipped talk about Wizards>

*Catfish_Man casts magic missile at the darkness*

(bonus points to anyone who gets the reference

)

Rita · Post by **Rita** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:02 pm

FredAkbar · Post by **FredAkbar** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:06 pm

TaskMaker!

Post by **evands** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:55 pm

Catfish_Man wrote:
Jona wrote:<snipped talk about Wizards>
*Catfish_Man casts magic missile at the darkness*

(bonus points to anyone who gets the reference )

Are there GIRLS there???

Zorg · Post by **Zorg** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:15 pm

After trying Kopete out myself, I'd recommend to stick with libgaim. I've only tried Kopete with AIM but there weren't that many great features compared to what GAIM offers us. Also, it's AIM un-friendly from what I saw; I re-organized, deleted, and added a few buddies on AOL Instant Messenger and opened up Kopete with the same screename, but it didn't exactly respect the changes I've made.

-Zorg:-.

Post by **Catfish_Man** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:01 am

evands wrote:
Catfish_Man wrote:
Jona wrote:<snipped talk about Wizards>
*Catfish_Man casts magic missile at the darkness*

(bonus points to anyone who gets the reference )
Are there GIRLS there???

*Catfish_Man hands Evan a bonus point

"

zaudragon · Post by **zaudragon** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:08 am

Zorg wrote:After trying Kopete out myself, I'd recommend to stick with libgaim. I've only tried Kopete with AIM but there weren't that many great features compared to what GAIM offers us. Also, it's AIM un-friendly from what I saw; I re-organized, deleted, and added a few buddies on AOL Instant Messenger and opened up Kopete with the same screename, but it didn't exactly respect the changes I've made.

-Zorg:-.

libgaim does the same; it keeps a cache. Adium, I think, deletes the cache occasionally, since I haven’t seen any “My groups are different! My deleted buddies are still there!” posts.

Post by **Catfish_Man** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:13 am

zaudragon wrote:
Zorg wrote:After trying Kopete out myself, I'd recommend to stick with libgaim. I've only tried Kopete with AIM but there weren't that many great features compared to what GAIM offers us. Also, it's AIM un-friendly from what I saw; I re-organized, deleted, and added a few buddies on AOL Instant Messenger and opened up Kopete with the same screename, but it didn't exactly respect the changes I've made.

-Zorg:-.
libgaim does the same; it keeps a cache. Adium, I think, deletes the cache occasionally, since I haven’t seen any “My groups are different! My deleted buddies are still there!” posts.

s/occasionally/every time you launch Adium

Zorg · Post by **Zorg** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:56 am

zaudragon wrote: libgaim does the same; it keeps a cache. Adium, I think, deletes the cache occasionally, since I haven’t seen any “My groups are different! My deleted buddies are still there!” posts.

Well, I don't get this problem with GAIM (after trying it out), but I got this problem with Kopete and it was pretty major problem in Kopete

.

-Zorg:-.

[EDIT]: Oops, heh.. Nevermind I do get this problem with GAIM too.

Post by **The_Tick** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:45 am

yelly wrote:
evands wrote:
yelly wrote:as long as it isn't a wizard, I'm fine. you could make this "first time user setup guide" like the one Quicksilver has...
Do you just dislike the word "Wizard"?
Well, I do dislike the word, but I dislike the entire ideology of Wizards and the way they work (or at least the Windows ones...).

Wizards are no different than setup assistants or anything else. Everyone seems focused on the term "Wizard", but when you look at it, all that is happening is that it is trying to give you an easier way to do something.

Most functionality from wizards can be attained in some other way. I really don't get how you can say this, as it just makes about zero sense. Either you are for helping new users find important features immediately, or against that.